Are Stash Tabs Pay To Win ? Science

its pay to win

4 tabs are not enough. 10 are plenty. More you have, the more you hoard useless crap.

I still stand by the posts I made in this thread pre-necro.

Summed up in short: stash tabs give a very, very small advantage for real life money. It is definitely non-zero, but it is small enough that I personally don't care. I also would like to know why there's a 4-tab limitation in the first place, and how much PoE's continued existence depends on people buying stash tabs.

Yeah tabs are PTW in this trade centric game.

More tabs> more opportunity for sales> more revenue> better shit u get wear.

But tabs are GGGs bread and butter so I wouldnt plan on them being free anytime soon

If PoE was your bog standard p2w freemium game then you would get one stash tab and half the inventory and a stipulation that mule accounts are "frowned upon" forcing you to cough up.

You get more storage space than most other free games and are allowed/encouraged to make mule accounts if you don't want to spend money.

The argument is then only down to what is most efficient of your time and while mule accounts take longer initially having extra tabs gets to be more time consuming the more you have particularly at the end of the temp leagues.

Any claims that it is pay to win are generally from people that don't understand the concept of pay to win in relation to the game or those that are grasping at straws to hate on the game.

So, to those who would say that stash tabs are pay-to-win, I have a question for you.

What's your endgame here?

For the moment, I'll concede that you're right and that stash tabs are p2w. What now?

First level 100 in Nemesis did it with mules. Such p2w wow.

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Barivius wrote:

4 tabs are not enough. 10 are plenty. More you have, the more you hoard useless crap.

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lagwin1980 wrote:

The argument is then only down to what is most efficient of your time and while mule accounts take longer initially having extra tabs gets to be more time consuming the more you have particularly at the end of the temp leagues.

They start off mildly "pay to win," and then gradually turn into "pay to lose" ^-^

In any case, I agree with pneuma. They are definitely pay-to-something, but they are also definitely not the same as buying a $100 "trivialize all the things" weapon every 10 levels. If "pay-to-mild-advantage" is "winning," then they're the fairest pay to win I've ever seen.

I've always considered it "Pay for Convenience". My 10 extra premium tabs are no different then having 20 mules. I just have easier access to them and I'm not constantly logging in and out. that is about as close to pay to win as they get.

Could you imagine the server strain if we had all the active base using multiple clients, logging in and out of mules all the time?

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Jackel6672 wrote:

I've always considered it "Pay for Convenience". My 10 extra premium tabs are no different then having 20 mules. I just have easier access to them and I'm not constantly logging in and out. that is about as close to pay to win as they get.

Could you imagine the server strain if we had all the active base using multiple clients, logging in and out of mules all the time?

can you imagine logging in and out of mules and playing extreme "Stash Tetris" with them all, just to transfer something one character has to another, given completely full stash and almost full char inventories?

finding gems when you have to socket them into stash items, for lack of space?

if you're a trader, log around all your mules trying to find that one item you're trying to sell atm, while the buyer is *hopefully* waiting patiently after being added to your *list is full* friends list?

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well that's the life of someone who does not buy stash tabs. my life.
they are a hell of a lot more than "a convenience". and in a game that doesn't have a clear definition of "winning" but where every bit of advantage and time-save counts - they most definitely are pay to win, even if not in the classic sense of "pay $$$ for this 100000 DPS sword that one-shots all bosses and gives you infinite free re-specs and super powers".

that's why I'd buy every single MTX the game has, before buying one extra tab.
masochistic? probably.

but the plus side, is they are the only P2W in the entire game.
something which is far from trivial for Free-To-Play games nowadays.
that alone, is something GGG deserve huge credit for.