Feedback and Suggestions (Path of Exile 1) - Are Stash Tabs Pay To Win ? Science - Forum

Honestly this is like trying to argue with baboons, just fuck it. You can point out 10 reasons and give a good explanation as to why they are NOT pay to win like i and others did, they just wont read your post and say that theyre pay to win. Its fucking pointless. I carve and sell real animal skulls, check out my work here: https://www.instagram.com/victorseiche/ https://www.facebook.com/victorseicheart/ World first Uber Atziri as 2h and 2h RT build: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1058950 Highest level char in Closed Beta, Wytchfindergeneral	Posted by VictorDoom#6290 on Jun 12, 2014, 6:05:43 AM Quote this Post
" VictorDoom wrote: Honestly this is like trying to argue with baboons, just fuck it. You can point out 10 reasons and give a good explanation as to why they are NOT pay to win like i and others did, they just wont read your post and say that theyre pay to win. Its fucking pointless. Well it's pretty obvious this Crusader guy created this entire world and we just live in it... How could he possibly be wrong about anything?	Posted by majesw#7630 on Jun 12, 2014, 6:54:03 AM Quote this Post
" VictorDoom wrote: Honestly this is like trying to argue with baboons, just fuck it. You can point out 10 reasons and give a good explanation as to why they are NOT pay to win like i and others did, they just wont read your post and say that theyre pay to win. Its fucking pointless. argue with me, then. but please be sure to read my opinion and definitions in this thread, before you do. honestly, the vast majority of the "tabs not P2W" crowd are the ones acting like Baboons here, but they do it quite intentionally - because they are trolling for attention. Alva: I'm sweating like a hog in heat Shadow: That was fun	Posted by johnKeys#6083 on Jun 12, 2014, 8:47:13 AM Quote this Post
This thread looks much better when you eat popcorn while checking it ! SSF is not and will never be a standard for balance, it is not for people entitled to getting more without trading.	Posted by Fruz#6137 on Jun 12, 2014, 9:25:46 AM Quote this Post
" johnKeys wrote: " VictorDoom wrote: Honestly this is like trying to argue with baboons, just fuck it. You can point out 10 reasons and give a good explanation as to why they are NOT pay to win like i and others did, they just wont read your post and say that theyre pay to win. Its fucking pointless. argue with me, then. but please be sure to read my opinion and definitions in this thread, before you do. honestly, the vast majority of the "tabs not P2W" crowd are the ones acting like Baboons here, but they do it quite intentionally - because they are trolling for attention. At first, I thought you were being facetious but you're serious. I've been playing this game since closed beta and I currently have seven stash tabs with no intention of buying more. They are simply unnecessary. I have more than enough space to accumulate crap items for all the best recipes. The richest players aren't getting rich from orb recipes. Hell, the richest guys I map with don't even stop to loot anything! That crap is pennies on the ground to them (change for the bottom-feeding bums like me). They leave everything on the ground and clear maps as fast as they can. When they're not mapping, they're running their merchant businesses (which I won't bother doing), but THAT'S where the money is. And you don't need an @ssload of stash tabs to do it. You manage to get your hands on some expensive items and flip them. This is how the rich get richer. I don't do it. I hate the business end of this game. Once you get your hands on mirror-worthy items, then the money tree grows even more. Orb recipes? Are you serious? GTFO... All you need is a handful of stash tabs to store the really sweet stuff: the stuff that you either use or have no problem selling or mirroring. Everything else is bottom-feeder garbage. Take your fvcking "stash tabs are P2W" crap argument and use it as toilet paper to wipe your mouths with. Last edited by Gemdraco#2335 on Jun 13, 2014, 12:37:17 AM	Posted by Gemdraco#2335 on Jun 12, 2014, 9:48:15 AM Quote this Post
" Crusader_7 wrote: it amuses me how so many people are arguing against the obvious, that stash tabs are pay to win pay for serious advantage. Is it so bad to just admit the obvious? It amuses me how so often they try to justify this talk by resorting to "chaos recipe", avoiding the FACT, that there are other useful recipes that generate currency that CAN'T POSSIBLY BE DONE EVEN 1/100 AS FAST as you can with 100 STASH TABS TO STORE THE ITEMS. it amuses me how when people talk advantage for cash stash tabs, they ignore the advantages by saying you can open multiple accounts. i logged in just to express how amusing this little thread has become. words like, "my stash tabs mostly remain empty". SO, WHAT? words like, "my things just get thrown around and they are all disorganized". SO, WHAT? words like, "it may be faster that opening multiple accounts and characters to sift through my items, but that's not an advantage". HAHAHAHAHAHAH. seriously. Comedy. Stash tabs ARE pay to win PAY for advantage. i also find it amusing how we all know, for a fact... a 100% FACT... that if we were in a currency race, 100 stash tabs would beat 4 and mules, every, single, time. If everyone was exactly the same skill. I just wish GGG would create a less dull, boring kind of Pay For Advantage. They could make a pet that attacks but NOOOOOO, they can only make a bigger closet for hoarders who want to run alchemy recipes. And chaos sets and whatever else, so they can trade the currency in for high end gear. Stash Tabs, pay to win no matter how messy yours are, no matter how disorganized yours are, no matter if you only run a chaos recipe, no matter how many mules you may play with. no matter if you bought so many stash tabs and just don't want to admit they you are what you said you don't like. you are a pay for advantage person. 100 stash tabs lets them generate the ex's etc they need to get the highest end gear, for themselves or their friends. it's what top players do. have no school or job to get to so they play a league start for 2 weeks straight 16 hours a day, with their friends stacking them with leveled gems and gear that they all were finding, or buying with their mass stash tab currency drive aka cash for advantage. stash tabs being a huge part of their collective pool of little ex's etc they use to stack these people up. Stash Tabs = Pay to Win Advantage. End of Story. The next lesson for the 8 year olds in class, will be why having no job or no school etc, is the best way to win GGG's Leagues. And why GGG should obviously, just as obvious as stash tab advantages, change it so the jobless etc can't just play for 16 hours a day. like telling me i should be in a race, but i can only race half as long as someone else. one of the worst aspects of a game's design, ever. almost as bad as no pay to win except boring stash tabs. almost as bad as scion. Using your own facts, I can prove they are not P2W. Fact: People who can play 16 hours a day have an advantage over people who can't play as much. Proof that time = advantage Fact: Using more stash tabs takes more time. You cannot put more items in and take more items out without it taking more time to do so. Proof that using fewer stash tabs uses less time. Positive Proof that having fewer stash tabs means you have more time available to play. It's amusing you use time to prove that more is better but ignore the fact that it takes more time to use more stash tabs and manipulate more items. You dilute this by equating disorganized people with organized people. You don't have to be disorganized to spend time at your stash. You can know exactly where everything is at all times. But you spent time putting it in and you'll spend time taking it out. Science. Guild Leader The Amazon Basin <BASIN> Play Nice and Show Some Class www.theamazonbasin.com Last edited by mark1030#3643 on Jun 12, 2014, 9:58:19 AM	Posted by mark1030#3643 on Jun 12, 2014, 9:52:13 AM Quote this Post
" pneuma wrote: " mark1030 wrote: So do all the other microtransactions also qualify as P2W in your book? Because they have the potential to be used as an advantage. They allow you to see in the midst of a full screen of graphics which skills are coming from you (giving you an advantage of knowing your position better than somebody who can't see which skills originate from their character if others also use the same skills). They also allow you to see if your auras are on or off easier as well as if you have buffs active like Arctic Armour. If you do not count those things as P2W also even though they have "potential" to give an advantage, why do you think they're different? No. In the future, I would really appreciate it if you spend as much time reading my posts as I do reading yours. I have read all of your posts and everybody else's (which admittedly is only because I've been reading all along - I wouldn't spend time reading 30 pages if I just looked at this thread today for the first time). With so many different posters I just get confused about who said what, so apologies if it looks like I'm not reading yours. Guild Leader The Amazon Basin <BASIN> Play Nice and Show Some Class www.theamazonbasin.com	Posted by mark1030#3643 on Jun 12, 2014, 9:57:41 AM Quote this Post
" mark1030 wrote: Positive Proof that having fewer stash tabs means you have more time available to play. it's actually the opposite. here's an easy example. lets say you don't own a dishwasher, you wash your dishes by hand. would you prefer to wash your dishes 1 at a time, wasting water and time, or would you wait for them to build up a bit so you can fill up the sink with water and wash them all at once, saving both time and water?	Posted by Veruski#5480 on Jun 12, 2014, 12:03:10 PM Quote this Post
" Veruski wrote: " mark1030 wrote: Positive Proof that having fewer stash tabs means you have more time available to play. it's actually the opposite. here's an easy example. lets say you don't own a dishwasher, you wash your dishes by hand. would you prefer to wash your dishes 1 at a time, wasting water and time, or would you wait for them to build up a bit so you can fill up the sink with water and wash them all at once, saving both time and water? It's been a while since I've seen an analogy as dumb as this one on those forums lol. SSF is not and will never be a standard for balance, it is not for people entitled to getting more without trading.	Posted by Fruz#6137 on Jun 12, 2014, 12:05:33 PM Quote this Post
because doing things 1 at a time is more efficient than doing things all at once....??? ---said NOBODY EVER. at least, nobody being serious it's pretty hilariously obvious that you can get equal to or greater efficiency using multiple tabs just by tossing the items into your stash and dealing with them at the end of the session, as opposed to be being forced to deal with them on a constant basis. Last edited by Veruski#5480 on Jun 12, 2014, 12:11:06 PM	Posted by Veruski#5480 on Jun 12, 2014, 12:10:04 PM Quote this Post