In-Game Shops Prototype - Join the creative effort!

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HeavyMetalGear wrote:

...due to its complexity for what you're wanting / wishing GGG to do to improve trading, I highly doubt they're going to implement something like in your OP of that magnitude since they won't even implement simpler methods... (hasn't happened.)...

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junaum wrote:

Yeah, I understand that they have an on-going effort to implement forum based trading. But then, when we dig into the reasons people hate D3 auction, we find out that is not only the RMTing and overgeared newbies but, mostly, because of the meta-gaming that occurs outside of the game.

Out-of-game progress have a very negative effect on the community, almost like Real money trading. Having this aspect going on in-game, with some physical boundaries (such as moving your character to shops and/or sellers) is a fun workaround - perhaps not the ideal, but still, fun. Anyway, my concerns are that eventually PoE becomes a browser trading game. That wouldn´t be fun for that big chunk of players that are here for the "A" in ARPG.

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TehChipdip wrote:

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junaum wrote:

Yeah, I understand that they have an on-going effort to implement forum based trading. But then, when we dig into the reasons people hate D3 auction, we find out that is not only the RMTing and overgeared newbies but, mostly, because of the meta-gaming that occurs outside of the game.

Out-of-game progress have a very negative effect on the community, almost like Real money trading. Having this aspect going on in-game, with some physical boundaries (such as moving your character to shops and/or sellers) is a fun workaround - perhaps not the ideal, but still, fun. Anyway, my concerns are that eventually PoE becomes a browser trading game. That wouldn´t be fun for that big chunk of players that are here for the "A" in ARPG.

Exactly this. It's my main concern with GGG implementing a forum-based trading system. The less time I have to spend outside the game, the better. Personally, I don't see the difference between an AH, or a MTX stash tab that links to forums.

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TehChipdip wrote:

I have been thinking of this idea for a couple months now. Today I spoke with a friend in more detail, and thought I'd see if anyone had suggested a more succinct version.

While I strongly agree with the idea of a new area (I thought Sarn Arena could have been a bazaar), I think it would be best to do it, if possible, with act 4. That would give the players time to actually have gear, and not get too OP for the early-game maybe? Although it would be abusable with another character/friends in HC.

As the other people before me have mentioned, GGG has had plans to revamp trading since the end of Closed Beta. They want to improve on the forum trading, and possibly have some in-game variant as well. MTX shop tabs have been talked about, and I think that works even better with a stall system, as it reduces clutter!

The "Exile Smuggler" is a good idea, but it reduces the need for resources spent on a marketplace, when people can just go to smuggler and buy the items from him. I propose the "Exile Smuggler" could be used to browse the forum shops, while the marketplace could be a more exploratory system. The smuggler could even say "I think I saw that item over in the third alley at the blue stall", or something immersion-friendly, but a teleport to the shop seems a bit redundant.

If the system has a pop-up notification, and you have to open your social tab to check "SHOP" status, I think it would work well(Maybe we would see less whispers followed by a *PLAYER HAS DIED AT POSITION 6 AT THE LADDER* pictures hehe). It also feels a bit excessive to have the buyer teleport to the shop just for one purchase (what if it's just a small item for 1alch?). Perhaps just the dialogue box sans teleport option would suffice. Also accepting the item sale could send the currency into a separate stash tab set specifically for your completed sales. So you could get your alch, after your map, or just leave it as your currency stash tab.

I think that this is a fantastic idea, and I have been curious to see if anyone suggested it in depth. Nice to see! I see no reason to disagree with something that could make the game more approachable, and more interesting. The problem with trading right now is spam, and time. Everyone who agrees with a auction house will comment on how we spend hours in trade chat, and everyone who is against a AH will say "The new trade system is coming!". Accessibility is not necessarily a bad thing, it's not a arbitrary term. If we could have a mix of offline/online trading, and bartering it would be a big improvement for a lot of players, myself included.

I think that if GGG worked with us we could have something that could benefit the community greatly. and I hope this thread at least has some ideas come from it.

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TehChipdip wrote:

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HeavyMetalGear wrote:

...due to its complexity for what you're wanting / wishing GGG to do to improve trading, I highly doubt they're going to implement something like in your OP of that magnitude since they won't even implement simpler methods... (hasn't happened.)...

I think that is just a negative outlook. GGG is doing what they can, and they may move slow on these lower priority things, but they definitely are in motion. The complexity isn't on a level of impossible, definitely not technically as well! If they coincide something like this with the release of act 4, or act 5, it could be achievable, and changed to our feedback.

I think GGG will improve the trade in the ways they have mentioned, with MTX shop stashtabs, and better forum implementation. The thing is I only have heard them talk about offline tools. Something like a bazaar is really in line with the theme of Path Of Exile, and it could, hypothetically, unify a offline+online trade system.