Three myths about PoE

1. If you reduce the definition of gold to become "anything that can be traded for something else" i.e. currency, then yes, orbs are among others a form of currency and thus just like gold. However, through this approach i can define any item that is not account bound as a potential form of currency and thus just like gold. It also has to ignore the fact that PoE's currency has uses beyond being just like gold.

2. I'll let the stash tab pass as being p2w in the most inflexible definition of the term. RMT under the same definition however does not constitute p2w because it's not only not an official service, it's a bannable offence.

3. poexyz.in is does not operate the auction. Players have to make contact with each other and reach an agreement in person. It is thus, by definition, not an auction house unless you want to dilute the term to meaninglesness as attempted with the gold analogy.

1. Yes, those are currency items, but they also have a distinct function apart from their use a currency, which sinks them and reduces inflation. The original intention of bucking the gold system was to eliminate a worthless link in the economy, since gold in D2 became so devalued that certain items were the effective currency. PoE doesn't really have this problem, and in fact, exalts tend to rise in value toward the middle of ladder leagues. Also, the chaos/exalt system is a player-generated system, and may change in the future. There was a point where GCPs were far more prominent as a pure currency item.

2. The tabs do grant a time advantage in trading, but this advantage doesn't become relevant until much later on in progression. And the utility of extra stash tabs falls off after a certain point; I've had 12 for quite a while and haven't felt any extreme pressure to get more. Calling this a p2w system is stretching it at best, when the same term is used for games that openly sell XP/MF boosts and that sort of thing.

3. poe.xyz approaches the searchability of an AH, but is still nowhere close to the convenience. That's the point of the no-AH stance--it makes the efficiency of getting loot from players relative to drops too easy. Requiring player interaction still slows the process down.

lol'd at the pay2win comment about stash tabs.

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munkytos wrote:

lol'd at the pay2win comment about stash tabs.

Do you still have to lvl mules to lvl 30 (or something like that)? Or did they change that back? If you do, then it's p2w.

no one said orbs are not currency. hell, GGG openly equates them to currency. Im not sure how its misleading. orbs are replacement of gold as a more non-uniform currency

the game isnt pay-to-win. RMT is illegal and just because you can easily get the item off those sites or RMT players doesnt make it pay-to-win. you can call any online game about items where you can transfer items via trade, pay to win then. WOW ? pay to win. d2, d3 ? pay to win. and so on, so forth. couple it with no real skill required for arpg and you are confronted with the simple fact that the more powerful items you have - the more 'win' factor for you epeen you get. hence some choose to win by rmt bypassing fun game has to offer *shrug* their choice

stash tabs argument is closer to true, but if you are broke and dont mind spending time for some hassle, you can make mules or another account.

Id say poe.xyz is not quite an auction house, because its not automatic and you have to contact a person, invite to party and do a trade, which is not as easy as just one button click. but its closer to truth than not, for what its worth.

I agree that stash tabs are p2w. They safe time and trouble organizing multiple accounts. You pay and you get an advantage.

I don't think that poe.xyz is an AH but in my opinion it is just as bad as D3's AH. Not because of the lack social interaction, the buyouts or the convenience that other people complain about. Simply because both of them debunk any illusions about getting anywhere without trading. Seriously, you can play as long as you wish and then it takes about 5 mins browsing poe.xyz/AH to realize that you are doing something wrong.

1: absolutely true

2: completely false. its takes seconds to change between chars, its mostly convenience.

3: kinda grey. GGG does not support an auction house, it was made by a 3rd party because poe uses an outdated system that games used back in the late 1990's (and those games have since modernized the systems).

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Splift wrote:

2: completely false. its takes seconds to change between chars, its mostly convenience.

Exactly what I was saying...

It's remarkable how players name things.
That convenience is buying time, literally.
From switching characters to sorting items, it all adds up.

A convenience which made that certain MTX the most bought one, by far.

People really do waste a lot of money for nothing, bunch of idiots...?

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glh5 wrote:

Myth 1: "PoE does not have gold, only orbs." The reality is that chaos orbs and exalted orbs work exactly the same as gold in other games. So this is a very misleading statement.

They don't work exactly the same. As a matter of fact, if you're so rich and your character so advanced that you can chain high-maps, you'd actually in a position where you can use currency on items essentially as advertised, in order to create something mirror-worthy. However, for the other 99.9% of players, yeah, what you said.

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glh5 wrote:

Myth 2: "PoE is completely free and will never be "pay to win". As a matter of fact, PoE is not free because if you take it seriously you will have to purchase a lot of stash tabs. Stash tabs give a direct gameplay advantage. Furthermore, PoE is pay2win because of the rampant RMT going on especially in the permanent leagues. Remember, just because GGG doesn't endorse it that does not mean that PoE is not pay2win.

I strongly disagree on the stash tabs, but I agree on the RMT.

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glh5 wrote:

Myth 3: "PoE has no auction house like in D3." Actually, PoE does have an auction house. It's called poe.xyz and nearly everyone on the top of the ladder used it to get there. PoE also has an economy of buyouts, not a barter economy.

You're actually wrong on this one. An auction is a sale in which the price is not set by the seller, but instead set by whichever of a group of buyers happens to bid the most. poe.xyz.is is not an auction house, and neither neither were Diablo 3's "Auction Houses" — they are buyout houses.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

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glh5 wrote:

Myth 1: "PoE does not have gold, only orbs." The reality is that chaos orbs and exalted orbs work exactly the same as gold in other games. So this is a very misleading statement.

They don't work exactly the same. As a matter of fact, if you're so rich and your character so advanced that you can chain high-maps, you'd actually in a position where you can use currency on items essentially as advertised, in order to create something mirror-worthy. However, for the other 99.9% of players, yeah, what you said.

In any other game the the gold is given value by hardcoded functions. They don't just say "hey, use this worthless placeholder gold to trade", ie: d2, gold was worthless and players used currency that had actual value.

In other games "gold" is given value because you can do stuff like buy universally wanted things from npcs and modify items or other services. Orbs do the exact same thing.