Raise Zombie skill explained

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shroudb wrote:

300%more damage buff is unnesessary.

summoners were fine before cod, and will be fine after it's removal. a few good spectres do quite some heavy lifting, and zombies are great tanks.

it is a much safer build to play than most, and the clear speed isnt bad with some titty bitches or burning miscreations, after release, the evangelist make some pretty grat guys to keep both you and your horde alive too.

granted, my experience with summoner ends in lower level maps (personnally) or from what i've seen friends in a bit higher ones, so i may be wrong in 72+ maps.

IF summons need damage buff, it is better to be a straight buff now than relying on gimmiky cod shennanigans though.

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sarahschneider wrote:

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shroudb wrote:

300%more damage buff is unnesessary.

summoners were fine before cod, and will be fine after it's removal. a few good spectres do quite some heavy lifting, and zombies are great tanks.

it is a much safer build to play than most, and the clear speed isnt bad with some titty bitches or burning miscreations, after release, the evangelist make some pretty grat guys to keep both you and your horde alive too.

granted, my experience with summoner ends in lower level maps (personnally) or from what i've seen friends in a bit higher ones, so i may be wrong in 72+ maps.

IF summons need damage buff, it is better to be a straight buff now than relying on gimmiky cod shennanigans though.

I do agree, summoners were fine even without CoD. But CoD gives something that summoners didn't have prior to that gem's release, the ability to compete with other endgame builds, specifically on clear speed. The one thing that summoners don't have is the ability to scale the minions performance with gear apart from minion specific uniques. While I agree with you on the aspect that summoners are fine as it is, a lot of other builds outperforms summoners significantly after those builds got pass certain gear threshold. Here's one example, even with necro aegis and safell with L20 gems, temple piety could still wipe out my minions on certain occasions, unless I do specific purity setup, that issue never occurs on my other chars.

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Saltychipmunk wrote:

so you dont see an issue with a pack zombies being able to flash liquify every map boss in seconds
while you eat a bowl of lucky charms in the corner somewhere . all the while everyone else has to actually play the game?


huh, not sure how i can tackle that.

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shroudb wrote:

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sarahschneider wrote:

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shroudb wrote:

300%more damage buff is unnesessary.

summoners were fine before cod, and will be fine after it's removal. a few good spectres do quite some heavy lifting, and zombies are great tanks.

it is a much safer build to play than most, and the clear speed isnt bad with some titty bitches or burning miscreations, after release, the evangelist make some pretty grat guys to keep both you and your horde alive too.

granted, my experience with summoner ends in lower level maps (personnally) or from what i've seen friends in a bit higher ones, so i may be wrong in 72+ maps.

IF summons need damage buff, it is better to be a straight buff now than relying on gimmiky cod shennanigans though.

I do agree, summoners were fine even without CoD. But CoD gives something that summoners didn't have prior to that gem's release, the ability to compete with other endgame builds, specifically on clear speed. The one thing that summoners don't have is the ability to scale the minions performance with gear apart from minion specific uniques. While I agree with you on the aspect that summoners are fine as it is, a lot of other builds outperforms summoners significantly after those builds got pass certain gear threshold. Here's one example, even with necro aegis and safell with L20 gems, temple piety could still wipe out my minions on certain occasions, unless I do specific purity setup, that issue never occurs on my other chars.

i think it's the opposite:
some builds are OVERtuned, making the game a joke and not a challenge (aegis immortal tanks, 400k dps flickers, coc discharge, etc) sure all builds have their ups and downs, but SOME builds (esp melee builds) feel so overtuned and safe nowadays that with enough gear the game seems like a cakewalk.

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Saltychipmunk wrote:

well there is little in this game that would be a challenge to a full block player with a blind flame totem.

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Saltychipmunk wrote:

couldn't resist it could you? i chuckled a little