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Differentiating between self-imposed standards and objective axioms is in no ways contradictory. Saying "you're wrong", "contradictory", or "off-topic" does not refute my statements. Logical proof should be presented for the betterment of the discussion. Assuming or preferring that the anecdote is the core of the post also don't refute my statements, especially if it was stated that it just an anecdote to lay out the rest of the post. I'm not sure what's so funny. As for my "claim", it is prefaced with the word "personally". As for the favoring that I've stated "does not concern me", perhaps "ignoring" or "overlook" is an more appropriate term instead of favoring. It is not censorship I support; I support Property Rights as a fundamental axiom: I own myself and my effects. This forum is a part of Grinding Gear Games' property rights.

Personally, I find comparing Grinding Gear Games' censorship to government actions inaccurate. All users voluntarily agree to the rules set by Grinding Gear Games. ("By clicking Create Account you are agreeing to the terms of use and privacy policy") Not all persons living in the state-drawn border voluntarily agree to government involvement. Through logical reasoning from first principles, Property Rights argues the opposition of letting the government into our homes/phones/computer. I would go into detail, but I will not derail the thread with politics.

My initial post verbatim is below for convenience. Intelligent refutations welcomed.
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...attacked? WITH WORDS?
Slightly off-topic. I'll share it with this thread nonetheless.

Steven Bonnell, commonly known as Destiny, was part of the Starcraft 2 streaming community. In the middle of a match against an Asian player, he used a racist slur that is intended against Asians. After being released from compLexity Gaming, an online news aggregator said that the racist was fired. The distinctions to note is that the news aggregator used the term racist instead of "person that used racist remarks" or other variables and the term fired instead of quit or released.
What ensued: Bonnell's followers (Twitter's sense of the word henceforth) attacked the news aggregator with words because the news aggregator used words (with negative connotations) against Bonnell. Why would words have to be defended? They're just words after all, right? If Bonnell was "just using words", so was the news aggregator. So, then, why was Bonnell's followers, including his mother, so angry about the use of words? After all, isn't Bonnell use of the racial slur (starting with a g) just a word?

If words are just words, everybody can just spew words at one another. If my words are just words, and your words are just words, how can either be offensive? They're just words. I don't get why somebody would be upset over words... unless they're not just words. And that's where objectivity comes in. If you state that "words are just words", that would be an absolute dictim that you impose on yourself. It should then be applicable at all times for yourself and any source directed at you.

However, this is something that you cannot impose on others. Words are derived from concepts. Each with its own distinct abstraction and etymology. They have meaning. If Martin Luther King, Jr. was alive today, he would be outraged at his ethnicity/race and their "it's just a word" excuse for their use of the N-word (with an letter a modifier). Mr. King, calm down—it's just a word!

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The term You is not directed at the quoted person, a generic You (Plural) is used.
English equivalent of 他 would be a good replacement.
Ethnicity/race referring to biological and/or social identities.
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YOU say it's off-topic... and magically, somehow relevant. this IS a contradiction. it's not that i think it's a contradiction. it's not an opinion that it's a contradiction. it IS a contradiction.

and as for the anecdote - you still never answered how one was "attacked" with words. i thought my joke about 'was he verbed to death?' demonstrated that well, enough... but i guess not.

since you probably don't get it, my simple counter is subtly 2-fold

1. poking fun at a metaphorical use of attack, instead of physical
2. you used attack as against the PERSON, not an object. ie: not the journalist's reputation, but the journalist. this is incorrect, as per definition.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/attack?s=t&path=/

please explain the injuries the journalist incurred due to words.

point being, since you're apparently a stickler for semantics, you failed by your own criteria. it's lose-lose for you. if you were attempting a realistic argument, it failed for reasons i previously mentioned. your defense/explanation is based on semantics. too bad for you, you failed as you incorrectly used the keyword... so that's not a valid defense, as it doesn't withstand the same level of scrutiny you tried to hold me to (in response to your post, no less - i can only work with the level of quality you offered).

sorry.




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(...)objective axioms(...)


That is the funniest sounding concept I've heard in a long time. The whole point of an axiom is to not be refuted and instead you build results upon the axiom(s).

"Subjective" or "Objective" is redundant when it comes to describing an axiom, because one assumes that the axiom is true.
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I will not be starting another cycle of that— I've already stated that it was slightly off-topic and that things can be slightly off-topic but relevant to the discussion. (For example, cotton in a discussion on the morality of slavery. There may be better examples as not much thought was put into this one.) I understand your metaphorical reference; I surely did explain indisputable psychological attacks, which effects both the person and his or her reputation.

Yes, that is correct. The axiom of Property Rights is not refutable. I've added objective to bring to mind that axioms are objective, you can simply call it an axiom if you prefer. Building upon "Property Rights Exist" in no way defeat the whole point of the axiom. Buy building upon, I assume you mean gathering the data from the setting up of said axiom.
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I will not be starting another cycle of that—

It is pointless to attempt to communicate with some people. Some people simply do not care whats true or false: some because all they care about is their objective( including forwarding a proposal or simply attempting to incite others into anger), for others they simply have not developed enough cognitively( perhaps brain damage or an overload of irrationality during their formative years).
When a person asserts a false truth, whether its being formally stated or subtly slipping it in, it reduces their credibility. There is a point where someone has stated so many untruths where you should not even attempt to understand or communicate with them, there is simply no upside. And the downside may be that you subliminally accept their falsehoods as truth. With the possibility of assimilating their modes of thought into your own.
In short, 'dont feed the trolls'.
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SkyCore wrote:
(...) for others they simply have not developed enough cognitively( perhaps brain damage or an overload of irrationality during their formative years). (...)


Please, no hateful posts. T.T Why do you have to be hateful? Not everyone can be born with 130+ in IQ.
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SkyCore wrote:
(...) for others they simply have not developed enough cognitively( perhaps brain damage or an overload of irrationality during their formative years). (...)


Please, no hateful posts. T.T Why do you have to be hateful? Not everyone can be born with 130+ in IQ.


At first I was thinking "hey, it wasnt THAT bad dude" but then I thought some more (ow!)
I guess... insinuating someone has brain damage is kinda shitty and is the exact thing GGG wants to remove from forums.

I applaud it and I will try to help by not being a dick but I will likely foul and get hit by the rules occasionally.

I quite like the wee debate between Deathstar2x and robmafia because they both stay reasonably civilised, at least in the parts I have oh so lazily bothered to read.

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SkyCore wrote:

It is pointless to attempt to communicate with some people. Some people simply do not care whats true or false: some because all they care about is their objective( including forwarding a proposal or simply attempting to incite others into anger), for others they simply have not developed enough cognitively( perhaps brain damage or an overload of irrationality during their formative years).
When a person asserts a false truth, whether its being formally stated or subtly slipping it in, it reduces their credibility. There is a point where someone has stated so many untruths where you should not even attempt to understand or communicate with them, there is simply no upside. And the downside may be that you subliminally accept their falsehoods as truth. With the possibility of assimilating their modes of thought into your own.
In short, 'dont feed the trolls'.


so... you're against 'antagonistic' posts... except when you do them?
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I did and I have to say, this post you just made should be held up to the community as a shining beacon of all that is right in a PoE player. The we should take that torch and sacrifice a virgin, because.
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