Biggest Problem with Mapping: Inconsistent Risk to Reward

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Nephalim wrote:

The map affixes have been broken since the start and no improvements have been made since mildly increasing quantity of some affixes.

Right now the only rule in rolling maps is to 1) spam chaos until maze 2) spam chaos until high quantity.

A mazed 120Q 50 packsize map will possibly not drop anything. A 50Q random map drops 6. There is almost no correlation betwen the mods on a map and what it drops other than maze. This disconnect makes it so the map affixes are completely irrelevant in terms of reward but very much so in terms of risk. Thus you will have players burning chaos for pack size or map instead of actually trying hard maps.

-Remove maze from the game , increase all map base size accordinly
-rescale chance to drop map based on quantity - i,e 100 quantity has a 70% chance to drop any single map, 110 has a 90% chance, 120%+ has a 100% chance. Pack size is enough of a reward on its own based solely on the extra exp.

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Xantaria wrote:

Wrong ... You might have the situatioon of not finding a map in a perfectly rolled one, but just try this:

Run 100 lvl 70 maps with awesome rolls (rolled with Map Management Resource)

And then

Run 100 lvl 70 maps with bad rolls just some random crap.

You will probably get around 150 maps out of the good rolled one and like 60 maps out of the bad rolled ones.

It makes a HUGE diference, you just don't see it because you always focus on the present. you see that ONE single map drops nothing and you are like: well fuck this mods don't do anything... You have to look at ALL the maps you have done ... not at 20 maps even 100 does not seem enough. If you look at 10000 maps you might get a very close to realistic outcome.

Conclusion:

roll your maps great guys, spend as much as you can. You CAN have bad luck but you have a SIGNIFICANTLY increased chance to get more maps.

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You forget to take into account the RNG behind the scenes wich is truly the only RNG that counts. When you open a map it rolls what kind of mobs, how many packs, how many packs are magic mobs and how many have rares etc. No matter how high quantity you roll, if you don't get a good behind-the-scenes-RNG roll, you don't get good map drops.

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Run 100 lvl 70 maps with awesome rolls (rolled with Map Management Resource)

And then

Run 100 lvl 70 maps with bad rolls just some random crap.

You will probably get around 150 maps out of the good rolled one and like 60 maps out of the bad rolled ones.

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Nephalim wrote:

A mazed 120Q 50 packsize map will possibly not drop anything. A 50Q random map drops 6. There is almost no correlation betwen the mods on a map and what it drops other than maze.

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Delmas wrote:

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Nephalim wrote:

A mazed 120Q 50 packsize map will possibly not drop anything. A 50Q random map drops 6. There is almost no correlation betwen the mods on a map and what it drops other than maze.

Damn bro you played Diablo(assuming) and got a lvl 99 and you still have no idea how probabilities work?

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Obviously its small sample size but from having done maps for a long time it feels like there is almost no correlation between map drop and quantity. Sometimes I wonder if it even does anything other than clog up the screen.