Interesting video about the current financial system and problems

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Cronk wrote:
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Raycheetah wrote:
"Gold standards suck." - Mike Maloney

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHNZ2Dd7NfU

Also, I dun recall in the OP vid ANY recommendation that anyone actually buy Gold. Yes, Mr. Maloney does sell precious metals, which is why I recall being surprised that there was no sales pitch.

The simple issue being examined in that vid was that debt-based currency is FRAUD, and its issuance is not only unlawful (in the case of the US Constitution, at least, whose definition of lawful money has been ignored since FDR's time), but harmful to those who work and save their wages.

I see no problem with informing those who wish to know the nuts and bolts of the current system of how it is run. Yes, it is a complex issue, which is what makes that vid so useful,as it simplifies it to the point where it is understandable, but still detailed enough not to leave out too much information.

To object to it on the basis of "But he sells Gold!" is to straw-man the fundamentals being discussed. Unless you have some argument in favor of the current structure of Central Banking and all its consequences, I see no reason for any objections to the vid.

As for your laudably-detailed examination of other aspects of economic activity, that's fine, but extends far beyond what is being discussed in the vid. ='[.]'=


I think it's quite obvious that the video is a purely negative video, in that it does not propose solutions, it does provide links to solutions, but if those solutions are coming from someone who is invested in the Gold Standard...

You might be right, his solutions might not be the Gold Standard, but to dismiss outright that causing public panic with no solution is suggestive that once the public are hateful of one system, they will be wide open to another, including Gold propagandists.

Though the video is good information, it's kind of trollish isn't it, in that it's just a purely negative production. I know there are links etc, but these videos are normally best circulated when they include the solution.


I dun wanna say you're shooting the messenger, but, to call making an informative video "trollish" is not an effective challenge of the merits of the information in the video. You seem more concerned with the motives for making the vid (and appear to lend no credit to the notion that people who honestly believe that the system is corrupt might also, for good or ill, embrace precious metals), than with the idea that people might benefit from this knowledge.

I am prepared to discuss the merits/demerits of the video, but I think that this discussion of Mike Maloney's ulterior motives for making it is a distraction from the discussion, itself. Yes, he is a Gold dealer. He is a businessman, who seeks to make a profit. But he also involves himself in precious metals because he believes (correctly or not) that they can be a solution to the problems of fiat currency. Whether this is so, or not, it does not change the validity of the information, or any flaws to be found in that information through discussion. ='[.]'=

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I wish I could believe people didn't have an agenda.

The big problem with the gold standard is that it encourages hoarding as opposed to investing and inhibits the fiscal multiplier effect. Further, allowing a central agency control of the money supply isn't necessarily a bad thing if that central agency is competent. Admittedly the US FR has not been so competent in the last 15 years and the deregulation of the financial sector has not helped. Ideally I would like a more tightly regulated financial sector and more transparency in both the SEC and FR.

Fiat is superior to the gold standard because it allows control of the money supply. It allows us to create a small inflationary incentive to not hoard and to take advantage of the both the fiscal and monetary multiplier effects. ='[.]'=
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Veta321 wrote:
I wish I could people didn't have an agenda.

The big problem with the gold standard is that it encourages hoarding as opposed to investing and inhibits the fiscal multiplier effect. Further, allowing a central agency control of the money supply isn't necessarily a bad thing if that central agency is competent. Admittedly the US FR has not been so competent in the last 15 years and the deregulation of the financial sector has not helped. Ideally I would like a more tightly regulated financial sector and more transparency in both the SEC and FR.

Fiat is superior to the gold standard because it allows control of the money supply. It allows us to create a small inflationary incentive to not hoard and to take advantage of the both the fiscal and monetary multiplier effects.


Heheh. Which brings us back to people and agendas. Managed by incorrupt individuals, a fiat system might work. Which is why it never does. Every fiat monetary system in history has failed. I dunno. Mebbe somebody needs to design one which acknowledges that flaw, and build in an expiration date or something. =^[.]^=
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I'd like to ask Cronk (and others of course): What do you think of the "Zeiteist" solution to this agenda? (the "Venus" project) http://www.thevenusproject.com/
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Vincendra wrote:
I'd like to ask Cronk (and others of course): What do you think of the "Zeiteist" solution to this agenda? (the "Venus" project) http://www.thevenusproject.com/

Could care less about the movement but the followers act up like idiots.
In this manner I throw them together with right and left wing radicals.
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Vincendra wrote:
I'd like to ask Cronk (and others of course): What do you think of the "Zeiteist" solution to this agenda? (the "Venus" project) http://www.thevenusproject.com/

Could care less about the movement but the followers act up like idiots.
In this manner I throw them together with right and left wing radicals.


Didnt aask for the oppinion about the followers of any therory but about the theory itself. Every Religion, Party, Movement and whatever may exist that human can follow has people who follow them who act as you described.

please add an answer "What do you think about this given Solution?"
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The Zeitgeist solution proposes that there can be a computer formula that can figure out all the needs and wants of what people want. They haven't figured it out yet...

Also, I don't think it works because it doesn't take into account that people have infinite desires. The Zeitgeist project talks about toning people's desires but people always want more stuff. That's just the way it works.

I don't understand why people think that a small group of people can add zeroes onto a computer screen and calling it money, could make a lot of sense. You work for this so called money, which they can manipulate at will. Why is that is better than people choosing what currency to trade in?
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He's right in a lot of the things he says, but it's the implementation which is the difficult bit and there's barely a single mention of how this plan would be implemented on a practical level.


I agree with you on that. This solution can't be build up without takeing years in progression. The question is, how mankind could possibly overcome the time it takes from our social habits from today to form the next step in the human evolution.

Which is the true question here. How can we overcome a some milenia old way of living. Mankind didnt make it in the last 2k years.

But on the other hand, technical and scientific evolution has skyrocketed in the last 2 decades.

I'd really love to live in an environment proposed by the venus project. But to unite mankind to pull on one string it may take some serious happenings.

IMHO, the species of mankind wont make it much more longer in the state as it exists now. Wherever it goes is bayond for me to see though, but the signs show more in the direction of a great "war" and self regulation of the human population.
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