PoE Subscription (Stop hating on the poor people :P)

You can't have everything you want. If you want something work for it.

If you don't realize that by the end of your teenage life you will have a hard time as an adult.

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NCPereira wrote:

You can't have everything you want. If you want something work for it.

If you don't realize that by the end of your teenage life you will have a hard time as an adult.

I'm not quite sure how this is relevant? But I want to support this game and im working on it by trying to make it possible for me.

If you are referring to my financial circumstances, well I'm a trainee Accountant atm and will remain one for another 3 years when I can qualify myself as a Chartered Accountant until then im stuck earning a monthly salary thats less than one platinum donation. Having to pay for my own studies,rent and basically anything else I want or need leaves little left for helping my favorite game:D

So if GGG don't want my donation i will happily keep mooching off them without further investment:P

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Cr0zz wrote:

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NCPereira wrote:

You can't have everything you want. If you want something work for it.

If you don't realize that by the end of your teenage life you will have a hard time as an adult.

I'm not quite sure how this is relevant? But I want to support this game and im working on it by trying to make it possible for me.

If you are referring to my financial circumstances, well I'm a trainee Accountant atm and will remain one for another 3 years when I can qualify myself as a Chartered Accountant until then im stuck earning a monthly salary thats less than one platinum donation. Having to pay for my own studies,rent and basically anything else I want or need leaves little left for helping my favorite game:D

So if GGG don't want my donation i will happily keep mooching off them without further investment:P

If what you want is to support GGG then you can do as already suggested. Keep upgrading your support pack. Simple as that.

To me it looks like "I don't want to spend my money but I still want all the shiny goodies".


EDIT: Also, one curiosity. Currently the Bronze pack is 50$ and the Diamond 1000$, which makes the Diamond 20x more expensive than the Bronze. Yet, in your calculations, 50$ is only 5x higher than 10$.

Firstly there were no calculations they were suggested amounts and the reason the proportions arent the same is I dont see anyone donating $200 a month for diamond status so it was just practical call imo.

Secondly how am I just asking for the benefits but don't want to pay what is the money I will be paying every month? Added to this point is the fact that the benefits I'm suggesting are clearly distinguishable from the supporters benefits.

I'm not trying to steal shine from the diamond or any other supporters I just wan't to help out aswell and I really dont see why any of them would mind me being able to donate aswell even if It's in smaller chunks over a long period.

I can't see this working well unless it's set up with a contract for a set duration such that the subscriptions end up equaling (or likely exceeding due to the overhead involved) the associated supporter packages. And I'm pretty sure this would be a pretty substantial long-term headache for GGG.

I suspect that if you just wait for open beta and look at the shop items, you won't care about this so much anymore and can support in whatever instalments get you want you're after.

Edit: You could take the headache from GGG and have essentially the same subscription model by putting the payment on a low-interest line of credit.

I am completely amazed at the level of reading comprehension that the people on this forum are showing rofl

Please Durentis go and read the original post again and then see if you can find the part where its called a SUBSCRIPTION and not a supporter pack and that the benefits all differ from the supporter packs benefits in a distinguishable way. When you do please reconsider your post:)

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Cr0zz wrote:

I'm not trying to steal shine from the diamond or any other supporters I just wan't to help out aswell and I really dont see why any of them would mind me being able to donate aswell even if It's in smaller chunks over a long period.

I can't speak for other Diamonds and supporters of various tiers, but I don't see how it's possible for you to "steal shine" and thinking I'd be upset with you donating however you can is absurd. That doesn't mean that I can't have opinions in conflict with what you're suggesting though. Ultimately, I don't really care how GGG makes their money so long as P2W never enters the Shop, and they seem steadfast on this matter.

I co-designed, coded, and ran an ultimately unsuccessful online game for a few years, but I was throughout and still am a simple warehouse worker.. upgrading to Diamond was a huge stretch for me. I simply felt it was well deserved and I made it work.

My opinions don't have any more weight than yours.

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Cr0zz wrote:

I am completely amazed at the level of reading comprehension that the people on this forum are showing rofl

Please Durentis go and read the original post again and then see if you can find the part where its called a SUBSCRIPTION and not a supporter pack and that the benefits all differ from the supporter packs benefits in a distinguishable way. When you do please reconsider your post:)

I read your post thoroughly the first time, again now, and even the recent replies. I have the same opinions.

If you notice in my initial post, I do make the distinction between supporter and subscription, though it was quite a terse post by my usual standard, I think. Perhaps it was unfair of me to suggest that they resolve to the same amount of support given the same tier prefixes, but that's my opinion on a particular detail. Having the amounts equal isn't strictly necessary, of course, and my points stand regardless of the subscription period.

The reason I suggest the contract, instead of your permanent-after-12-months perks, is because I was (and still am) having a hard time wrapping my head around a F2P Shop coexisting with a subscription model but a lock-in seems more appropriate to me than giving and potentially taking away a perk. Contracts are a bit of a headache, I'm sure, though at least taking away a perk (a bit mean?) could be more easily automated. Perhaps managing recurring payments themselves might be a bit of a headache as well since GGG would have to store financial information. Again, this is an opinion on another particular detail in your post.

I was aware of your mention of different perks from the supporter package when I made my original post. But this part of your post is actually 100% irrelevant to me. I don't care if people can get any or all of the perks I got with the Diamond package even if it's for $1. I upgraded to Diamond for several reasons of which you can find in my prior posts but, cool as the perks are, the perks had no influence on my decision whatsoever. In fact, I initially went Bronze because I wouldn't have to get anything shipped to me and I could send out a couple keys. It seems that you're after perks as much as supporting GGG, which is absolutely fine but not in line with my intent and perhaps this is partly why our opinions differ.

Though I am in support of more incentives for people to support GGG, I think a subscription is a bit awkward for a F2P game. Further, I made mention of the Shop items making perks from a subscription seem almost superfluous. I'm pretty sure they plan on giving similar perks to the supporter packages there, such as avatars and pets (possibly even a forum title?), which is essentially what you want from a subscription. This is why I said you probably wouldn't care so much once the store is filled out with items. I could well be wrong in this.. I find that I'm wrong quite frequently - perhaps I just like learning. /shrug

Finally, I mention the line of credit option (not because I want to recommend debt but) because you can essentially get the supporter package (better than what you want from the subscription package?) with similar monthly payments. It's just that the payments go to your bank instead of GGG, who gets the money up front. Just an option that I felt followed logically from my prior opinions.

So, I have read your original post again and reconsidered my post. We still seem to be in disagreement, unless my clarifications have altered your opinion, but that's ok.. it happens. Is there something in particular that you think I'm not comprehending?

You're asking GGG to create special items for you, but not offering what they need, which is start-up capital. We buy our credits NOW, GGG gets an infusion of much-needed cash. I'm making a good faith purchase of credits, gambling that the game will actually release, and that it will be good enough that I'd want to spend $50 in the cash shop anyway. It's a safe bet since it's a damn good game in its current state. :-) The kiwi is nice and since pets will cost credits it means I'm getting a little more than $50 worth.

Your subscription plan would only pay GGG a little money between now and open beta, when their business model kicks in and hopefully cash starts flowing in through the cash shop. While you will certainly be a valued customer, it's start-up cash that GGG needs and is rewarding right now.

It will be interesting to see whether GGG offers subscriptions once the game releases. Games with a cash shop subscription have to have a good credit sink so that players use up their monthly stipends. That's hard with permanent purchases like stash tabs and cosmetic changes like spell effects. Usually credit sinks are temporary buffs like XP gain, regen, or added damage but GGG seems very opposed to any form of P2W. I suspect they will stay with a la carte credit purchases at first.