Summon Skeletons + Added Chaos Damage

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RePoE_Man wrote:

Hey guys, I'm playing a summoner build on anarchy and have a few questions about the mechanics of skeletons + chaos damage. Theoretically, the chaos damage is considered to be minion damage. Therefore, the increased minion damage gem, passives and attributes from items should increase the chaos damage dealt. But the tooltip says otherwise, so I'd really like some confirmation. Preferably from someone who has tried it and/or a dev. Here are the questions:

1. Do minion damage passives increase the chaos damage dealt?

2. Does the minion damage support gem increase the chaos damage dealt?

3. Do attributes of items, such as Sidhebreath (+15% inc minion dmg) increase the chaos damage dealt?

Thank you in advance :).

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banezilla wrote:

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RePoE_Man wrote:

Hey guys, I'm playing a summoner build on anarchy and have a few questions about the mechanics of skeletons + chaos damage. Theoretically, the chaos damage is considered to be minion damage. Therefore, the increased minion damage gem, passives and attributes from items should increase the chaos damage dealt. But the tooltip says otherwise, so I'd really like some confirmation. Preferably from someone who has tried it and/or a dev. Here are the questions:

1. Do minion damage passives increase the chaos damage dealt?

2. Does the minion damage support gem increase the chaos damage dealt?

3. Do attributes of items, such as Sidhebreath (+15% inc minion dmg) increase the chaos damage dealt?

Thank you in advance :).

where have you ever seen chaos damg. as minion damg.? minion damg. is all physical damg. until you apply any support gems on them which will then give them additional elem. damg.(along with physical) like fire, cold, lightning and chaos. but to answer all your questions the answer would be all no.

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recurring wrote:

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banezilla wrote:

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RePoE_Man wrote:

Hey guys, I'm playing a summoner build on anarchy and have a few questions about the mechanics of skeletons + chaos damage. Theoretically, the chaos damage is considered to be minion damage. Therefore, the increased minion damage gem, passives and attributes from items should increase the chaos damage dealt. But the tooltip says otherwise, so I'd really like some confirmation. Preferably from someone who has tried it and/or a dev. Here are the questions:

1. Do minion damage passives increase the chaos damage dealt?

2. Does the minion damage support gem increase the chaos damage dealt?

3. Do attributes of items, such as Sidhebreath (+15% inc minion dmg) increase the chaos damage dealt?

Thank you in advance :).

where have you ever seen chaos damg. as minion damg.? minion damg. is all physical damg. until you apply any support gems on them which will then give them additional elem. damg.(along with physical) like fire, cold, lightning and chaos. but to answer all your questions the answer would be all no.

The only thing I can think of is he may have meant specters that deal chaos damage (ie degen bears)

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banezilla wrote:

where have you ever seen chaos damg. as minion damg.? minion damg. is all physical damg. until you apply any support gems on them which will then give them additional elem. damg.(along with physical) like fire, cold, lightning and chaos. but to answer all your questions the answer would be all no.

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RePoE_Man wrote:

I'm talking about the skill Summon Skeletons and the support gem Added Chaos Damage. When you support a spell or projectile with added chaos damage, the chaos damage is increased by %spell damage and/or %projectile damage. Similarly, I thought if you support a minion with added chaos damage, the chaos damage would be increased by %minion damage.

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RePoE_Man wrote:

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banezilla wrote:

where have you ever seen chaos damg. as minion damg.? minion damg. is all physical damg. until you apply any support gems on them which will then give them additional elem. damg.(along with physical) like fire, cold, lightning and chaos. but to answer all your questions the answer would be all no.

I'm talking about the skill Summon Skeletons and the support gem Added Chaos Damage. When you support a spell or projectile with added chaos damage, the chaos damage is increased by %spell damage and/or %projectile damage. Similarly, I thought if you support a minion with added chaos damage, the chaos damage would be increased by %minion damage.

And could you explain further banez, what makes you say no? Have you tried it, or are you just saying no based off other mechanics?

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RePoE_Man wrote:

I'm still unsure about the minion damage, but I know you are incorrect about chaos damage and spell/projectile damage. I have no damage conversions and I am using a LvL 1 Added Chaos Damage gem (16-25 damage). When I support my cold snap with it, the chaos damage dealt is not 16-25, rather it is 17-27 because I have 9% increased spell damage.

Perhaps the tooltip for Summon Skeletons is broken? I tried supporting it with LvL 1 Added Lightning Damage (1-7 damage) and the tooltip still reads 1-7. The skill states it should deal 50% less elemental damage, so shouldn't it be 1-3 or 1-4?

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Mark_GGG wrote:

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aurisacra wrote:

There was a discussion in global the other night suggesting that +Added Chaos dmg was affected by +spell dmg passives (but not +elemental).

I forget who it was, but they stated that they were clearly getting +spell damage bonuses to the overall damage of their Ice Spear (I think) with Chaos Support.

Well, yes, because Ice Spear is a spell. That won't happen if you use this support on an attack.
Spell damage increases the damage done by spells, so if you use the chaos damage support on a spell then the chaos damage is spell damage and will be affected by increases to spell damage.