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damage = 6 characters
damg. = 5 characters and looks really weird and is hard to read.
You do big posts dude, I'm sure you can cope with +1 character.
Hey, don't attk. me or nothing...
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Posted byDeletedon Jul 24, 2013, 7:09:57 PM
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Mark_GGG wrote:
Well, yes, because Ice Spear is a spell. That won't happen if you use this support on an attack. Spell damage increases the damage done by spells, so if you use the chaos damage support on a spell then the chaos damage is spell damage and will be affected by increases to spell damage.
Okay, so in that sense, does using the added chaos damage support on a minion skill classify it as minion damage? If yes, then %minion damage passives should increase the chaos damage. If no, then chaos damage is on its own like you said banez.
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Cronk wrote:
damage = 6 characters
damg. = 5 characters and looks really weird and is hard to read.
You do big posts dude, I'm sure you can cope with +1 character.
Hey, don't attk. me or nothing...
No offense, but please stay on topic.
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Posted byRePoE_Man#5309on Jul 24, 2013, 7:20:31 PM
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Srry. Dud.
Yes, I see where you're coming from.
If Spell + Support + added spell damage = (sp+sup)asd=total
Then, logically
Minion + Support + added minion damage = (m+sup)amd=total
Not everything is fully logical yet though, it's still a beta. I've never seen this point raised before and it's a good spot. I'm guessing the only person who can help you is Mark from GGG. He's the Skillz guy. Maybe he's having his dinner. Might be a while before he posts. Have you tried sending him a PM? Might be a more civilised way to find your answer.
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Posted byDeletedon Jul 24, 2013, 7:33:17 PM
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Cronk wrote:
Srry. Dud.
Yes, I see where you're coming from.
If Spell + Support + added spell damage = (sp+sup)asd=total
Then, logically
Minion + Support + added minion damage = (m+sup)amd=total
Not everything is fully logical yet though, it's still a beta. I've never seen this point raised before and it's a good spot. I'm guessing the only person who can help you is Mark from GGG. He's the Skillz guy. Maybe he's having his dinner. Might be a while before he posts. Have you tried sending him a PM? Might be a more civilised way to find your answer.
Thanks, I'll try that and update if he answers. Thanks for everyone who tried to help :).
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Posted byRePoE_Man#5309on Jul 24, 2013, 7:53:39 PM
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aurisacra wrote:
There was a discussion in global the other night suggesting that +Added Chaos dmg was affected by +spell dmg passives (but not +elemental).
I forget who it was, but they stated that they were clearly getting +spell damage bonuses to the overall damage of their Ice Spear (I think) with Chaos Support.
Well, yes, because Ice Spear is a spell. That won't happen if you use this support on an attack.
Spell damage increases the damage done by spells, so if you use the chaos damage support on a spell then the chaos damage is spell damage and will be affected by increases to spell damage.
It seems to me that what mark is saying is that +spell damage won't modify Added Chaos Damage if it is being used on an attack. Since there isn't an equivalent "+attack damage" mod, there isn't a way to increase the chaos damage when using the support on an attack. Perhaps the projectile and melee nodes would though? I don't think Mark was addressing ACD + attack + melee damage node here, but just ACD + spell + spell damage node. It does seem like minion damage would apply to all types of damage being done by a minion. Another reason it would be nice to have a more detailed stay page for minions.
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Posted byHulkcore#6592on Jul 24, 2013, 8:26:26 PM
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I've tried it out before(80 summoner here). Yes the chaos dmg works. No it does not get reduced by the minion elemental damage nerf (as chaos isnt elemental dmg). No its not worth it.. from what I can tell it does not get buffed by the Minion Damage support gem at all.
Things that do work with Summon Skeletons, Spectres, Zombies... Multistrike, Increased Melee Damage, Increased Melee Damage on Full Life, Faster Attack, and Melee Splash. What works with certain Spectres is GMP, LMP, Faster Cast, Fork, and Chain. (Of course this list is not all inclusive.. just the big ones that people care about).
What I do with my Skeletons (which I love btw.. their my main focus.. even over the OP Tentacled Miscreation/GMP/Faster Attack/Minion Dmg) is Skeletons, Multistrike, Minion Damage, Minion Life, and Increased Melee Damage. If I had a 6th link I would probably go with Increased Melee Damage on Full Life.
Good luck!
IGN: DeathIsMyBestFriend, Illirianah
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Posted byBishop120#1027on Jul 24, 2013, 8:31:14 PM
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RePoE_Man wrote:
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Mark_GGG wrote:
Well, yes, because Ice Spear is a spell. That won't happen if you use this support on an attack. Spell damage increases the damage done by spells, so if you use the chaos damage support on a spell then the chaos damage is spell damage and will be affected by increases to spell damage.
Okay, so in that sense, does using the added chaos damage support on a minion skill classify it as minion damage? If yes, then %minion damage passives should increase the chaos damage. If no, then chaos damage is on its own like you said banez.
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Cronk wrote:
damage = 6 characters
damg. = 5 characters and looks really weird and is hard to read.
You do big posts dude, I'm sure you can cope with +1 character.
Hey, don't attk. me or nothing...
No offense, but please stay on topic.
its been said before in other threads that the added minion damg. support gem only adds to the physical damg.(suck it up Cronk cause thats how like to write it out :P ) you would get more dps with using added minion damg. and added fire gem then with using a chaos damg. gem with your skellys
edit: let me do some more searching to see if i can find out just what the minion damg. gem does and does not effect before i commit to my above statement.
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Posted bybanezilla#2919on Jul 24, 2013, 8:57:21 PM
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I honestly don't mind. if you want. to give people a headache. reading your sentences.
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Posted byDeletedon Jul 24, 2013, 9:01:01 PM
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Bishop120 wrote:
I've tried it out before(80 summoner here). Yes the chaos dmg works. No it does not get reduced by the minion elemental damage nerf (as chaos isnt elemental dmg). No its not worth it.. from what I can tell it does not get buffed by the Minion Damage support gem at all.
Things that do work with Summon Skeletons, Spectres, Zombies... Multistrike, Increased Melee Damage, Increased Melee Damage on Full Life, Faster Attack, and Melee Splash. What works with certain Spectres is GMP, LMP, Faster Cast, Fork, and Chain. (Of course this list is not all inclusive.. just the big ones that people care about).
What I do with my Skeletons (which I love btw.. their my main focus.. even over the OP Tentacled Miscreation/GMP/Faster Attack/Minion Dmg) is Skeletons, Multistrike, Minion Damage, Minion Life, and Increased Melee Damage. If I had a 6th link I would probably go with Increased Melee Damage on Full Life.
Good luck!
Hey, thanks for the feedback. I PMed Mark about it, and he replied with the following:
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Mark_GGG wrote:
yes, the chaos damage will be dealt by minions, and minion damage passives increase all damage dealt by minions.
It's a relief that this is what they intended, but I have yet to see a notable difference when using added chaos damage on my skeletons. I'll do a few more tests; you never know, the skill combination could be bugged and not be getting the full damage from %minion damage. If all else fails, then I'll take your advice and try out melee physical damage. Thanks everyone, and tyvm Mark!
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Posted byRePoE_Man#5309on Jul 24, 2013, 9:30:41 PM
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RePoE_Man wrote:
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Bishop120 wrote:
I've tried it out before(80 summoner here). Yes the chaos dmg works. No it does not get reduced by the minion elemental damage nerf (as chaos isnt elemental dmg). No its not worth it.. from what I can tell it does not get buffed by the Minion Damage support gem at all.
Things that do work with Summon Skeletons, Spectres, Zombies... Multistrike, Increased Melee Damage, Increased Melee Damage on Full Life, Faster Attack, and Melee Splash. What works with certain Spectres is GMP, LMP, Faster Cast, Fork, and Chain. (Of course this list is not all inclusive.. just the big ones that people care about).
What I do with my Skeletons (which I love btw.. their my main focus.. even over the OP Tentacled Miscreation/GMP/Faster Attack/Minion Dmg) is Skeletons, Multistrike, Minion Damage, Minion Life, and Increased Melee Damage. If I had a 6th link I would probably go with Increased Melee Damage on Full Life.
Good luck!
Hey, thanks for the feedback. I PMed Mark about it, and he replied with the following:
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Mark_GGG wrote:
yes, the chaos damage will be dealt by minions, and minion damage passives increase all damage dealt by minions.
It's a relief that this is what they intended, but I have yet to see a notable difference when using added chaos damage on my skeletons. I'll do a few more tests; you never know, the skill combination could be bugged and not be getting the full damage from %minion damage. If all else fails, then I'll take your advice and try out melee physical damage. Thanks everyone, and tyvm Mark!
ya after reading more up on it thats what i got from it too. and ive just did some testing on one of my char. and i think the thing that sucks the most with this is that the tool tip doesn't reflect the damg. output that is really being done by the minion so its hard to see whats getting increased as you put in more passives and more gems on them.
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