Why is Mageblood considered so good?

Power influences demand which in turn is part of the equation that defines the price. That's why i said it has indirect influence on it. It's not a direct relation.

People are willing to pay such prices because at some point, if you want to further minmax your character, every little upgrade gets that expensive. Doesn't mean the item is 250 times better than the old one just because it's price is 250 times the old items price. That logic is completely off.

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VixTrader wrote:

It adds to stat sheet, but in game it's hardly noticeable. I stand by my original statement.

Mageblood is certainly good. It's more fun to theory build around and it makes mapping faster. But when it comes to end game content, it's not 250 Divines better than a Stygian belt with the standard unique flasks with trigger on hit rare or unique.

And I have tested it to death at this point, all variations...

I think the problem lies in that you've tested it extensively on YOUR BUILDs. This is a key distinction because there are builds where mageblood makes little to no difference. But there are builds that cannot work period w/o mageblood. For example, in builds that need an extreme number of uniques, they literally have no way of coming close to capping their resistance w/o mageblood (unless you like your res to be capped only some of the time). So without mageblood, those people would just be running around with negative elemental resists all the time.

Additionally, for anyone who isn't regenning flasks like a pathfinder, you don't have 100% flask uptime if you aren't doing heavily juiced content (deli orbs with the works). Most well made builds can feel like they have "almost 100% uptime" but if you play defense flasks, realize that most of your deaths come from the few moments where the monsters catch you with your flasks down.

Finally, there are some really strong suffixes like "-% mana cost" that are pretty much worthless if you don't have a mageblood (unless you like taking up a flask suffix for inconsistent benefit) but extremely powerful when you do. There are some flask types like that too (i.e. Bismuth, Gold, etc.)

No item in this game is universally busted in any build. Mageblood is one of the very few items that is a direct benefit to ANY build in addition to being busted and build-enabling to the correct ones.

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Baharoth15 wrote:

Power influences demand which in turn is part of the equation that defines the price. That's why i said it has indirect influence on it. It's not a direct relation.

People are willing to pay such prices because at some point, if you want to further minmax your character, every little upgrade gets that expensive. Doesn't mean the item is 250 times better than the old one just because it's price is 250 times the old items price. That logic is completely off.

Supply and demand theory applies for large-scale economy with law enforcement in place, and poe market is more like Feudal one, where a small portion of players (willing to go to extreme lengths and reliably obtain items like MB or uber boss loot) can set any prices they want and coordinate this with each other.

current MB price came from the top of the head of very first person who posted it on trade, after which all other sellers congregated around it, considering how price-checking software works here.

Another fine example is Stasis Prison, which is 2-3 times more expensive than MB, yet is nowhere close to MB in generic usefulness, so demand for it is not much greater than supply. Crafted influenced rare chest with offensive capabilities works better for a lot of builds.

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Echothesis wrote:

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current MB price came from the top of the head of very first person who posted it on trade, after which all other sellers congregated around it, considering how price-checking software works here.
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Probably first posted MB got insta-bought. Then the next few.
When I first searched for it, was like 20 ex in first week of the league (3.16?). Then a week later was 100 ex, then reached 400+ ex at some point.

Now it's 330 divines, and all listings bellow 360 divines with sellers online are from last 24h. This means people are actually selling/buying it for this price.

You should craft your flasks properly.

You can get up to 95% flask effect on every flask.

The usual mageblood flask effect usuall give :

2900k flat armour
117% increased armour
78% movement speed
33% attack speed or cast speed

Thats just 2 of the 4 flasks

Then you can get an additional 39% more armor (basalt)
78% increased damage (sulphur)

With 2 additional suffixes, examples :
100% reduced curse effect on you
100% reduced freeze / chill effect
78% all resistance
5% life regen
48% reduced mana cost of skills

etc, the possilities are insane. Such a versatile item.

What belt can give you as much as this?

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VixTrader wrote:

I'm sure the last few percent is really going to transform everything! Go from meh to unbelievable because it's Armadillo instead of abalone.

When they're as badly crafted as yours, its not just a few %. Read my previous post.

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6_din_49 wrote:

Probably first posted MB got insta-bought. Then the next few.
When I first searched for it, was like 20 ex in first week of the league (3.16?). Then a week later was 100 ex, then reached 400+ ex at some point.

Now it's 330 divines, and all listings bellow 360 divines with sellers online are from last 24h. This means people are actually selling/buying it for this price.

For leagues, you are probably right, process is healthier there with fresh start. In Standard, economy is even more busted since brilliant divex swap, and prices on iconic/no-brainer items have little to do with demand, because most sellers are so rich that they have no real need to pursue any specific deal and offer competitive price.

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Krayken wrote:

You should craft your flasks properly.

You can get up to 95% flask effect on every flask.

The usual mageblood flask effect usuall give :

2900k flat armour
117% increased armour
78% movement speed
33% attack speed or cast speed

Thats just 2 of the 4 flasks

Then you can get an additional 39% more armor (basalt)
78% increased damage (sulphur)

With 2 additional suffixes, examples :
100% reduced curse effect on you
100% reduced freeze / chill effect
78% all resistance
5% life regen
48% reduced mana cost of skills

etc, the possilities are insane. Such a versatile item.

What belt can give you as much as this?

Plus a few other uses:

Reflect Immunity

146 elemental resists, almost negating the downside of The Annihilating Light with a single flask.


117% IIR

Loving my Mageblood but am curious about other interesting interactions as it considers you to always be under flask effect. So far the only one I've found that looks really juicy is the legacy blightwell talisman



that greatly enhances es recharge rate. I think some ranger or scion forbidden jewels may have some potential as well.

Anyone got any other ideas?

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6_din_49 wrote:

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Krayken wrote:

You should craft your flasks properly.

You can get up to 95% flask effect on every flask.

The usual mageblood flask effect usuall give :

2900k flat armour
117% increased armour
78% movement speed
33% attack speed or cast speed

Thats just 2 of the 4 flasks

Then you can get an additional 39% more armor (basalt)
78% increased damage (sulphur)

With 2 additional suffixes, examples :
100% reduced curse effect on you
100% reduced freeze / chill effect
78% all resistance
5% life regen
48% reduced mana cost of skills

etc, the possilities are insane. Such a versatile item.

What belt can give you as much as this?

Plus a few other uses:

Reflect Immunity

146 elemental resists, almost negating the downside of The Annihilating Light with a single flask.

117% IIR

Yeah those are other nice choices indeed. MB is the best item in the game by far. Fits in any build. the most versatile item in the game, as well as the most overpowered item in the game.