Research Results: Predatory Monetisation in Games
" The 13 challenges took me a weekend. How on planet fucking earth can you call someone a hypocrite, when they actually TRY the product they are then talking negatively about? Would my opinions on PoE be somehow MORE valid if I also didn't play PoE? |
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" Did you proofread what you just posted or are you trolling? You literally more or less just admitted to not playing. You played 1 weekend and then stopped. That's not playing. |
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POE's "mystery boxes" should definitely go, but the rest is fine. An ad when you login and seeing people in town is hardly predatory. Neither is constructing the game such that people who want to play for a long time without even putting in, say, $10, don't have the absolute most convenient time with their stash.
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" Ah yes, make sure to snip the guy I was quoting, it'll help take things out of context. Did YOU read who I quoted? Or you couldn't handle my actual reply to you, and instead jumped on me talking to someone completely differently? |
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A lot of microtransaction's ethical problems would go away with a proper spending cap per account. It's no big deal when some middle class person spends a few hundred of their luxury budget on a microtransaction game... it's much worse when someone whose sole income is a part time job at walmart spends their entire paycheck.
Poverty and depression go hand in hand, and the latter means people will desperately cling to whatever gives them a bit of relief in the short term, regardless of long term consequences. This leaves them ripe for exploitation. Украина в моём сердце
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" He accused you of applying a double standard in which you tell people to stay the hell away from POE, while at the same time using the fact you have 13 challenges to call you a hypocrite for not playing youself. To which you argued that because you played 1 weekend, you 'played,' only confirming he was right, while trying to suggest that you did indeed play, but retorting that your opinion would be more valid if you didn't play, in his mind. You basically both admitted to not playing while claiming you played, only to try to legitimize your claim that your opinion is valid because you played. You're a living contradiction. |
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On the surface, one can easily identify "limited inventory space", and "unrealistic presentation of product" in every new league advertisement...
But I think the main issue of this game is pay to win, in a very sneaky way: This game have basically the 2 broad groups of players that play in very different ways, that ppl like to call 1-"casuals" and 2-"nolifers". Regardless of the size of each in numbers of players, one of these groups buys a lot more totally optional, cosmetic support packs then the other. The nolifers, of course; they are the ones with time to be nolifers in the first place; they don't need an 8h job to sustain selves. Rich boyz. Since group 2 makes them more money in total, even if being the overwhelming minority, they develop the game for them, at the cost of group 1. Group 2 "pays to win" the development of the game to their favor. A collective pay to win, sneaky strategy. Since one can't prove it, it's a hypothesis. Still, really seems to be the case with this game. |
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Last edited by Shagsbeard#3964 on Jan 8, 2022, 5:01:18 PM
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" The topic of the thread is predatory monetization in games. I wrote a response speaking my mind on PoE and it's horrendously over expensive MTX, and how they partake in the 'predatory' stance by purposely making the overwhelming majority of gear in the game look awful. And I didn't even bring up the loot boxes. You tried to argue with me, but chose not to actually argue on the points I was making. I replied to you rebutting what you said, to which I guess you've decided to ignore, and instead insert yourself into a different conversation I was having with someone else. You THEN decided to clip said conversation in your quote, in an effort to try to de-legitimize my reply. This other person accused me of being a hypocrite because I had both played the game, and was telling others to stay away. His proof being I have 13 challenges in the current league. My response was that A) those 13 took a weekend and some change, I stopped playing very quickly after this league's launch and wasn't actively playing right now. And that B) why wouldn't someone's opinion such as mine be valid because I've actually played the product I'm being critical against? The argument put forth towards me in that regard made little sense. And THEN I've got you responding to that conversation, trying to state now that BECAUSE I only have 13 challenges I therefore WASN'T playing the game, at least to whatever arbitrary level you deem fit to allow criticism. Yes I quit this league very early, it's mechanics and rewards are very poorly designed. But I have nearly 5 thousand hours into the game over the years. Does that pass your gate-keeping test? Remember THIS conversation is centered around PoE's MTX and use of predatory tactics. |
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PoE's monetization is the opposite of predatory. They let you pay for a crummy map tab that's worse than having no map tab at all!
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