Feedback and Suggestions (Path of Exile 1) - CI and stun - Forum

" sirianstar wrote: Everytime i hear that i'd like to force those players to play CI for 2 months in a row without any unique. then we'd talk again. That would be me. Lvl83 CI Templar on Beta and a Lvl79 CI Templar on Alpha. No Chayula and no Dream Frag on either char. CI is fine. OB: BazzVone - 83 Dual Spork Totem Templar /w CI and minions CB: BazzVfourteen - 80 Dual Spork Totem Templar /w CI CB: BazzVtwo - 73 Dual Spork Totem/LS Templar CB: BazzVseven - 76 Lightning Strike Mara CB: BazzVfive - 78 Lightning Strike Mara	Posted by BazzV5#2961 on Mar 19, 2013, 5:00:56 PM Alpha Member Quote this Post
" BazzV5 wrote: " sirianstar wrote: Everytime i hear that i'd like to force those players to play CI for 2 months in a row without any unique. then we'd talk again. That would be me. Lvl83 CI Templar on Beta and a Lvl79 CI Templar on Alpha. No Chayula and no Dream Frag on either char. CI is fine. i DO run CI without Chayula or dreamfragment. saying it's fine is one thing, not recognizing that if i went life my experience would be just better is another thing. About stacking Chaos, it's only a matter of $$$. at first it's easier to get CI. But when you acquire enough currency to get actually the good items, it's not a problem anymore. I do see you are a dual spork totem like me. If you think that CI is fine with that, you are totally wrong. I was totally wrong with that too, i learned only through the experience. CI on Dual totem is only to make cheap gear builds. We can't life leech, we can't use Bloodrage, we can't make a good use of Zealoth Oath, we don't have full life requiring skills. total waste using CI. Still i can run it. Obviously if it was unusable i wouldn't have reached lvl 81 (stopped getting levels since 3 weeks when i started farming for currency) I still do see that life + armor + resistances would have been a much better choice. Last edited by sirianstar#2747 on Mar 19, 2013, 5:10:54 PM	Posted by sirianstar#2747 on Mar 19, 2013, 5:05:19 PM Quote this Post
" sirianstar wrote: or just ggg tests the number that feels "balanced" And they have done this. This is why you have a 50% stun reduction. Stop getting hit so much!! For someone who claims to have such a high IQ how can you grasp that what you are saying would make CI blatantly OP? You are correct in that it may make it 'playable' for someone who is TERRIBLE, but we shouldn't be balancing abilities around people who cannot grasp game mechanics and use them to their advantage.	Posted by thepmrc#0256 on Mar 19, 2013, 5:05:58 PM Quote this Post
" sirianstar wrote: " BazzV5 wrote: " sirianstar wrote: Everytime i hear that i'd like to force those players to play CI for 2 months in a row without any unique. then we'd talk again. That would be me. Lvl83 CI Templar on Beta and a Lvl79 CI Templar on Alpha. No Chayula and no Dream Frag on either char. CI is fine. i DO run CI without Chayula or dreamfragment. saying it's fine is one thing, not recognizing that if i went life my experience would be just better is another thing. About stacking Chaos, it's only a matter of $$$. at first it's easier to get CI. But when you acquire enough currency to get actually the good items, it's not a problem anymore. Then don't use CI. Simple as that. Let people who make it work effectively use it to its full potential and go make a life build if it is sooo much better. Seriously, there is a reason that CI dominated CB completely while still being subject to the stun/freeze mechanics. I understand that you are new and probably didn't actually experience anything in CB, but that is the fact of the situation. CI was grossly OP, even with the drawbacks that you feel make it broken. They over-nerfed the ES values in OB and have since made good adjustments to bring back a good amount of power to CI. They do not need to completely remove all downside from the damn ability. Last edited by thepmrc#0256 on Mar 19, 2013, 5:11:39 PM	Posted by thepmrc#0256 on Mar 19, 2013, 5:07:00 PM Quote this Post
" BazzV5 wrote: " sirianstar wrote: Everytime i hear that i'd like to force those players to play CI for 2 months in a row without any unique. then we'd talk again. That would be me. Lvl83 CI Templar on Beta and a Lvl79 CI Templar on Alpha. No Chayula and no Dream Frag on either char. CI is fine. While it's kinda cheating I have a summoner with CI atm. In CB I had a EK shadow. Both have/had no chayula/DF and no passives towards making stun easier. EK build owned too. Finished 17th in Rampage - Peaked at 11th Finished 18th in Torment/Bloodline 1mo Race - peaked at 9th Null's Inclination Build 2.1.0 - https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1559063 Summon Skeleton 1.3 - https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1219856	Posted by Moosifer#0314 on Mar 19, 2013, 5:09:35 PM Alpha Member Quote this Post
" sirianstar wrote: " BazzV5 wrote: " sirianstar wrote: Everytime i hear that i'd like to force those players to play CI for 2 months in a row without any unique. then we'd talk again. That would be me. Lvl83 CI Templar on Beta and a Lvl79 CI Templar on Alpha. No Chayula and no Dream Frag on either char. CI is fine. i DO run CI without Chayula or dreamfragment. saying it's fine is one thing, not recognizing that if i went life my experience would be just better is another thing. About stacking Chaos, it's only a matter of $$$. at first it's easier to get CI. But when you acquire enough currency to get actually the good items, it's not a problem anymore. Thing is though man, I choose CI because for my purposes, it's better than the alternative of stacking HP. For me it's just a matter of weighing up the pros and con's of both options and choosing the more suitable one. Having said that though, there's no way I would choose CI as a melee char. At least not without having Chayula and Dream Frag as part of the planned build. OB: BazzVone - 83 Dual Spork Totem Templar /w CI and minions CB: BazzVfourteen - 80 Dual Spork Totem Templar /w CI CB: BazzVtwo - 73 Dual Spork Totem/LS Templar CB: BazzVseven - 76 Lightning Strike Mara CB: BazzVfive - 78 Lightning Strike Mara	Posted by BazzV5#2961 on Mar 19, 2013, 5:12:11 PM Alpha Member Quote this Post
" thepmrc wrote: " maryn wrote: " Moosifer wrote: It seems you stick to witch side of things and don't actually understand how important %auras are. Mouze and I have been PMing back and forth this afternoon trying to figure out how to transition his BM mara into a mana one so he can use hatred, purity and haste. BM users stand to gain a tremendous amount of damage or EHP by using mana for these % auras. I can tell you either haven't played BM or never really looked closely at what you gave up by using them. Purity's added max res is a big deal, determination is a big deal, 30% more damage from hatred is huge, 15% IAS and MS from haste is huge. Like I said, they are so huge I'm talking with a guy who has been running the same build for 5-6 months and he wants to change over. It's not a bad comparison, it's perfect one. Not being able to easily use % auras on BM is the same as being stunned with CI. It's a major drawback that has you lacking something that's very important for any and all builds. But the player has to decide which is more important, having a large health pool with immunity to chaos damage but dealing with stuns/ailments. Having higher damage/EHP or no mana cost issues. These are actual decisions you have to make. If CI gives you large health pool, which is used to calculate stun/ailments (i.e. you'll never be stunned) and gives chaos immunity. On top of that you can have passives that allow for regen and leech. The drawback is...you can't use flasks. Do you not see how that's clearly OP? On average a CI user will have more EHP than a life user, along with immunity to chaos damage and the only drawback is they can't use life flasks. That's not even a drawback to me because around 60-70 I hardly ever use flasks anyways. But again, your counter argument will point out something small and you'll disregard everything said and plow forward saying it's broken. So please explain how I'm wrong. then why not give it an 0.75 multiplier or something which makes is comparable to hp instead of current 50% to dodge stun also u failed to mention all hp/bm buulds get acces to all the auras anyway thx to bm gem This is comparing the keystones itself, the BM support gem is another topic entirely. For the sake of argument, this requires that you 'waste' a support gem slot on all of your abilities to support this choice, this seems even more limiting than needing to use a specific unique item. Essentially, if CI calculated stun based off ES then the node would provide stun immunity, status ailment immunity, and Chaos Damage immunity... does that sound balanced to you at all? so "wasting" 1 support gem slot to run 7 auras and have no problems in no regen/half regen maps is limiting but sacrificing 3 item slots on relatively crappy and expensive uniques just to make CI work is not limiting at all? on top of that as CI u need to spend alot of points on mana nodes to run that amount of auras so dont say its easier for es chars top end hp chars have 6k+ hp/11k+ with koams 20k++ armor and all the auras they want, can use hp flasks and can do any map, not having positive chaos resits is just an excuse now considering u can find items with chaos res, tell me how is that considered balanced and CI is not? IGN Crakk Last edited by maryn#2152 on Mar 19, 2013, 5:15:27 PM	Posted by maryn#2152 on Mar 19, 2013, 5:13:38 PM Quote this Post
I played my whole CB period without either Dream or Chayula.. Not comparable due to the extreme bonus to ES, i did however not have more than 5k es at any time so i'll use that as a reference anyway.. I can't sum it up better than what Mossifer managed a few pages back, so i'll just take the liberty to quote it.. " Moosifer wrote: You are using a toaster expecting it to be a microwave then calling the manufacture telling them to fix it. Your solution to CI dealing with stun is to make it into life. You want to turn a unique and interesting mechanic into chaos free life. IGN: Gahrlaag Wiki - http://en.pathofexilewiki.com/wiki/Path_of_Exile_Wiki Move de sync from de bathroom to de kitchen for better flow! crisis solved.	Posted by Gahrlaag#4258 on Mar 19, 2013, 5:15:13 PM Quote this Post
" raz0r_boy wrote: I played my whole CB period without either Dream or Chayula.. Not comparable due to the extreme bonus to ES, i did however not have more than 5k es at any time so i'll use that as a reference anyway.. I can't sum it up better than what Mossifer managed a few pages back, so i'll just take the liberty to quote it.. " Moosifer wrote: You are using a toaster expecting it to be a microwave then calling the manufacture telling them to fix it. Your solution to CI dealing with stun is to make it into life. You want to turn a unique and interesting mechanic into chaos free life. es lacks alot of hp qualities to be considered "life" that quote is dumb IGN Crakk	Posted by maryn#2152 on Mar 19, 2013, 5:17:33 PM Quote this Post
" maryn wrote: " raz0r_boy wrote: I played my whole CB period without either Dream or Chayula.. Not comparable due to the extreme bonus to ES, i did however not have more than 5k es at any time so i'll use that as a reference anyway.. I can't sum it up better than what Mossifer managed a few pages back, so i'll just take the liberty to quote it.. " Moosifer wrote: You are using a toaster expecting it to be a microwave then calling the manufacture telling them to fix it. Your solution to CI dealing with stun is to make it into life. You want to turn a unique and interesting mechanic into chaos free life. es lacks alot of hp qualities to be considered "life" that quote is dumb Yes it does, but adding some of the suggested "solutions" would not put it that far away from life, aside from the lack of flasks for regenerating ES. IGN: Gahrlaag Wiki - http://en.pathofexilewiki.com/wiki/Path_of_Exile_Wiki Move de sync from de bathroom to de kitchen for better flow! crisis solved.	Posted by Gahrlaag#4258 on Mar 19, 2013, 5:20:27 PM Quote this Post