RMT Policy: Why You Should be Pro-Choice!

reads OP, scrolls pages, sees no GGG response, moves to next thread.

i mean honestly, nothing anyone says to the OP matters unless it's from GGG...
It's a game. Please get a job to make money. Leave real money out of playtime.

If you want to make money from gaming, develop a game or something, or be good enough so that businesses will sponsor you.

Other than that, please don't mix in money in gaming. People that want in-game goodies, should work for them, like all others, not be able to buy them because, oh well, they're rich.
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Elynole wrote:
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DCDTDito wrote:


Legal issue only goes as far as can reach just me but i doubt the legal thing reach certain country,you can't apply same rule everywhere and also you can hit loophole too.


Of course, me selling drugs on the street is OK too as long as I don't get caught, because really...can the police handle all the incidents and issues that happen, no? Doesn't mean it's right to do and in that case they could just block all access for that country.

GGG is strictly against Pay-to-Win. It would only cause more bitching on the forums because people who could pay for their gear would do so and those that couldn't would bitch about it - and I'd rather see bitching about not allowing RMT then seeing it about why is so and so able to be so awesome just because he has the ability to spend in-real-life money on a game.

GGG, I'm sure, could make shit loads of money if they did the RMT themselves, but they're against it. You should have to work for your advancement in the game.

The war on drugs and mini-wars against P2W sites are constantly facing inevitable defeat.
Just as drugs would be safer if they were regulated by the government, it would be safer to have an in game GGG run system for RMT, but that involves GGG in something their against so I would not suggest it. The fact is RMT will still go on, it will just be less safe. Individuals involved will have to take more risks.

I feel the conflict between GGG's absolute exclusion on p2w policy and their general vision of a game where the player can choose how he plays. That is why GGG should take no part in it (and of those roles they should not take, banning players is one of them). There is a lot more involved in creating a RMAH legally then one might imagine as well, so it may be less of a opportunity to "make shit loads of money". GGG should continue to balance the game the way they do, around the exclusion of RMT, but they should allow RMT to continue in the background at the will and discretion of the players (customers!).
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slyme wrote:
Consider scientific research, this is a service no doubt that has a price attached. Yet they are drawing from conclusions of past studies, works of other idividuals, in order to formulate their position.


Funny you mention this, as large portions of scientific research for "big data" research is based around finding companies that will sell their information for use. Healthcare does this, same thing applies with it - At least in the States anyways.

When you go to a hospital, all the information they collect on you - all those images and studies, blood tests and the diagnosis - you own nothing of that. You pay for the service of being treated, but that information is property of the hospital itself. They then take this information, remove the PHI(Personal Health Information) and resale it in bulk to laboratories. My statement still stands.

At any rate, I won't say anything else about this. I find the argument of "Well you can't control it so let it be" a fallacy and poor argument. Have at trying to get GGG to change this policy though, as I don't forsee it.
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Undon3 wrote:
It's a game. Please get a job to make money. Leave real money out of playtime.

If you want to make money from gaming, develop a game or something, or be good enough so that businesses will sponsor you.

Other than that, please don't mix in money in gaming. People that want in-game goodies, should work for them, like all others, not be able to buy them because, oh well, they're rich.


So you say I must work in game for in game goodies and I must also work out of game for out of game goodies? Because in general the way the world economy works is by individuals specializing in one area and using profits make up for the others. A doctor doesn't need to become a mechanic to drive a car, and our society wouldn't function the way it did if that was the case.

We would all be jacks of all trades and masters of none. Specialization and competition are the groundwork of our real life economic system, which is founded upon a less legitimate concept of acquisition then the terms of acquisition in game, so if things followed logic we would have the right to do things like sell virtual items, and we wouldn't have the right to sell things that involved the extraction of things that aren't ours.

I can start a bottled water company off a filter and a tap, but that water belongs to the earth. Maybe you disagree, but these are the foundations of capitalism. Therefore, in game, where my acquisition of items is more valid then me extracting water from the earth (or nearly any other act of acquisition I can think of). If the water belonging to the earth is too farfetched for you, consider instead the public water supply. Therefore the exchange of such [in game] goods (acquired in a fair way) is more justified then the way we exchange goods in life on a daily basis, where acquisition isn't always nearly as legitimate.
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Elynole wrote:
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slyme wrote:
Consider scientific research, this is a service no doubt that has a price attached. Yet they are drawing from conclusions of past studies, works of other individuals, in order to formulate their position.


Funny you mention this, as large portions of scientific research for "big data" research is based around finding companies that will sell their information for use. Healthcare does this, same thing applies with it - At least in the States anyways.

When you go to a hospital, all the information they collect on you - all those images and studies, blood tests and the diagnosis - you own nothing of that. You pay for the service of being treated, but that information is property of the hospital itself. They then take this information, remove the PHI(Personal Health Information) and resale it in bulk to laboratories. My statement still stands.

At any rate, I won't say anything else about this. I find the argument of "Well you can't control it so let it be" a fallacy and poor argument. Have at trying to get GGG to change this policy though, as I don't foresee it.

You must sign a release w/ your health care provider before they can sell/use the PHI. (This is because of privacy policies but they can use raw data without names attached- the difference is data attributed to your name could affect your health insurance or life insurance premiums etc) If it is your regular doctor you probably sign a release once a year.

This analogy is not very strong because other services we are subscribed to are not modifying our rates based on any in game information. That is an analogy for the sale of digital goods not one against it. That would be like if GGG called my medical insurance and said this man lives a sedimentary lifestyle with many hours sitting down at the computer each day, and so he is more at risk of heart conditions, you should raise his premiums.

Also, you claim your information is resold to laboratories. So why are you criticizing the player selling items (which in part could be construed as intellectual property of ggg), and not the selling of these records (which you could likewise construe as your intellectual property i.e. the sequence of your genome)
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Elynole wrote:
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slyme wrote:

Time is money freind


Can I sell your car to make money please? I know it's not mine, but I invested the time in finding someone to buy it?

Same analogy. You don't own the microtransactions, the items, the gear, the account, anything that is based around this game. It's still GGG's property.


That made no sense LOL. Did you earn his car in any way?
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Undon3 wrote:
It's a game. Please get a job to make money. Leave real money out of playtime.

If you want to make money from gaming, develop a game or something, or be good enough so that businesses will sponsor you.

Other than that, please don't mix in money in gaming. People that want in-game goodies, should work for them, like all others, not be able to buy them because, oh well, they're rich.


The fact that it is a game means the boundaries towards entry to the business are minimal, this is a much more fair situation then applying for a job where your opportunity to acquire job experience or a degree (etc) may be more culturally or otherwise inbalanced/unfair.

People who are rich in game and broke IRL could use the money, and people that are rich IRL but perhaps mentally disabled and prevented from playing the game in the fullest, could use the items!

Again you don't have to sell or buy any items! just quit restricting the actions of others; because in reality you are acting out of jealousy (that you couldn't afford a particular item perhaps for one example; or that you worked 18 hours to farm it in game and another worked 4 hours of a job you had equal access to the item based on your wages despite the other not spending time grinding in the game)
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relaxyo wrote:
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Elynole wrote:
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slyme wrote:

Time is money freind


Can I sell your car to make money please? I know it's not mine, but I invested the time in finding someone to buy it?

Same analogy. You don't own the microtransactions, the items, the gear, the account, anything that is based around this game. It's still GGG's property.


That made no sense LOL. Did you earn his car in any way?

It would additinally be like saying that when one offered to sell a unique item in POE that unique was removed from the game never to spawn again!
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relaxyo wrote:


That made no sense LOL. Did you earn his car in any way?


Nope, and he never earned ownership of the item he was wanting to sell.

You sign a ToS when you make an account, acknowledging that you understand your limitations in the game. If you don't read that ToS, it's your own ignorance. You own know ownership of any of the content whatsoever, your payment for playing the game is entertainment and satisfaction - nothing else. You cannot sell items you do not own.

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