RIP Nugi

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TheWhiteWorble wrote:

Melee is clearly not up to par with ranged. Ranged characters can clear a full pack from off screen while melee has to be up in their face, and both can build themselves equally as tanky. How is that balanced?

It obviously isn't, nobody is denying that. But people always talk about melee as if it were impossible to play the game as one, and use false reasons like Nugis recent death to prove their point.

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Xavderion wrote:

Some monster packs will destroy you no matter the gear, yes. Doesn't mean you have to die to them. Ultimately, I'd rather abandon a boss than risking my high level hc character. But Nugi didn't even have to do that, he was brain afk that's why he died.

Well brain afk deserve death, yes xD

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Xavderion wrote:

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TheWhiteWorble wrote:

Melee is clearly not up to par with ranged. Ranged characters can clear a full pack from off screen while melee has to be up in their face, and both can build themselves equally as tanky. How is that balanced?

It obviously isn't, nobody is denying that. But people always talk about melee as if it were impossible to play the game as one, and use false reasons like Nugis recent death to prove their point.

When everybody has classified most Melee attacks as ranged, and then correct anybody that says somebody did something as a Melee character, then yes playing as Melee is pretty much near impossible because nobody will consider you one.

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Xavderion wrote:

Some monster packs will destroy you no matter the gear, yes. Doesn't mean you have to die to them. Ultimately, I'd rather abandon a boss than risking my high level hc character. But Nugi didn't even have to do that, he was brain afk that's why he died.

u can brain afk as ranged and still do fine all u need is to keep more than 1 screen distance
all semi successful "melee" builds in this game use some kind of ranged attack, only reason why nugi survived so long was the fact he abused increased aoe passives to kite monsters with his half screen cleave range, when u fight in close combat as normal melee would u will get raped by some nasty mob sooner or later

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VolcanoElixir wrote:

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Xavderion wrote:

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TheWhiteWorble wrote:

Melee is clearly not up to par with ranged. Ranged characters can clear a full pack from off screen while melee has to be up in their face, and both can build themselves equally as tanky. How is that balanced?

It obviously isn't, nobody is denying that. But people always talk about melee as if it were impossible to play the game as one, and use false reasons like Nugis recent death to prove their point.

When everybody has classified most Melee attacks as ranged, and then correct anybody that says somebody did something as a Melee character, then yes playing as Melee is pretty much near impossible because nobody will consider you one.

By that logic there is not a single melee skill in PoE. Even the range of skills like Heavy Strike is improvable so yeah.

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maryn wrote:

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Xavderion wrote:

Some monster packs will destroy you no matter the gear, yes. Doesn't mean you have to die to them. Ultimately, I'd rather abandon a boss than risking my high level hc character. But Nugi didn't even have to do that, he was brain afk that's why he died.

u can brain afk as ranged and still do fine all u need is to keep more than 1 screen distance
all semi successful "melee" builds in this game use some kind of ranged attack, only reason why nugi survived so long was the fact he abused increased aoe passives to kite monsters with his half screen cleave range, when u fight in close combat as normal melee would u will get raped by some nasty mob sooner or later

All I was saying is that Nugi didn't die because he was melee, but because he was not paying attention.

So he finally got into melee range.

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Pinchyskree wrote:

So he finally got into melee range.

Shame on you!

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Xavderion wrote:

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VolcanoElixir wrote:

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Xavderion wrote:

It obviously isn't, nobody is denying that. But people always talk about melee as if it were impossible to play the game as one, and use false reasons like Nugis recent death to prove their point.

When everybody has classified most Melee attacks as ranged, and then correct anybody that says somebody did something as a Melee character, then yes playing as Melee is pretty much near impossible because nobody will consider you one.

By that logic there is not a single melee skill in PoE. Even the range of skills like Heavy Strike is improvable so yeah.

Heavy Strike, Dual Strike, Double Strike, Glacial Hammer, etc are "melee" skills...

Ground Slam, Lightning Strike, Cleave+AoE, Leap Slam Kite, and probably this new Cyclone+AoE are not "melee"...

They're basically semi-ranged... And the reason it's becoming more and more popular is, people WANT to play "melee", but you can't melee in this game with how absurdly stupid armor's damage reduction is. It's too dangerous, hence they're taking "melee-ish" skills and turning them into full blown ranged skills.

Now how many pure Heavy or Double Strike builds you see? None... Sure you've done it midway through Cruel.

It's not because they do no damage, hell Heavy and Double can hit like a truck, it's just when you run in with your Semi to roll over some mobs, a 747 filled with "white mobs" destroy you in 2 seconds and they're just the "toothpicks" according to GGG's "armor formula".

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Xavderion wrote:

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maryn wrote:

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Xavderion wrote:

Some monster packs will destroy you no matter the gear, yes. Doesn't mean you have to die to them. Ultimately, I'd rather abandon a boss than risking my high level hc character. But Nugi didn't even have to do that, he was brain afk that's why he died.

u can brain afk as ranged and still do fine all u need is to keep more than 1 screen distance
all semi successful "melee" builds in this game use some kind of ranged attack, only reason why nugi survived so long was the fact he abused increased aoe passives to kite monsters with his half screen cleave range, when u fight in close combat as normal melee would u will get raped by some nasty mob sooner or later

All I was saying is that Nugi didn't die because he was melee, but because he was not paying attention.

tbh his build was squishy as fk, im surprised he survived that long, i dont think EB melee is that good (atleast for close combat) u waste too many points to get it and are at the opposite side of tree where all the crucial melee keystones/passives are

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Pinchyskree wrote:

So he finally got into melee range.

LOL