Halls of Grandmaster, Lantador

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MrTremere wrote:
Pushing PvP content on PvE players is an issue, even moreso for SSF. Whether it is through a unique map or other means doesn't matter.
And while there may be many ways to go through the map, very few players have the luxury to respec in order to complete it.
I personally would rather give 5ex than have to complete it by myself.

Clearing it does nothing substantial for anyone on SSF. You'd figure a SSF player might be more concerned with how ludicrous 40/40 is.

Also, while it's technically PvP, you don't need a PvP build to take it on, just one that doesn't throw all its eggs into the speed-clear glass-canon meta.
Rufalius, hybrid Aura/Arc/Mana Guardian | Hemorae, TS Raider | Wuru, Ele Hit Wand Trickster
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MrTremere wrote:
The issue isn't that the character is OP.
The issue is that this map is PvP content, so it has no business being in the PvE Atlas and giving the 1% bonus.

So because you don't want to make this little effort (wear a balefire) in order to get this 1% bonus, EVERYONE should lose it? What kind of logic is this?
ACGIFT, the point is this map is just a trap for PvE players. It has no business being on the atlas, and should exclusively be sold by Leo. This could even allow the map to have better drops, especially PvP-centered ones.

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AsbelFar wrote:
So because you don't want to make this little effort (wear a balefire) in order to get this 1% bonus, EVERYONE should lose it? What kind of logic is this?

This is completely dishonest. Stop strawmanning, please.
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MrTremere wrote:
ACGIFT, the point is this map is just a trap for PvE players. It has no business being on the atlas, and should exclusively be sold by Leo. This could even allow the map to have better drops, especially PvP-centered ones.

No, it's not "PvP content;" it's only, at best, pseudo-PvP, kinda like how Rogue Exiles were always meant as pseudo-PvP. There are no other players, as it's still enemy AI script.

I have zero actual PvP characters; (well, discounting the PoE Royale ones I did back on April 1) hell, I've never even bothered to do anything for Leo, but I still managed to get HoG completion. (I used a TS Raider)

So no, the problem would be on folk like you who expect to keep bringing the same SC speed-clear meta crapola and expecting it to do ALL maps. (you'll probably also be in for a rude awakening if you actually try out a lot of other stuff on the Atlas. To say nothing of how build-restrictive The Elder is)

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MrTremere wrote:
This is completely dishonest. Stop strawmanning, please.

No, it's not. You don't even have to use a Balefire; that's just literally one of MANY options you could use for a PvE character and clear the map. As I explained, you don't even need a PvP character, just that ANY build designed for high-level PvP would trivialize it. (and numerous PvE builds would as well)
Rufalius, hybrid Aura/Arc/Mana Guardian | Hemorae, TS Raider | Wuru, Ele Hit Wand Trickster
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johnKeys wrote:

And what about the... 99.99999% of builds who don't normally Balefire?


They ll use the new cold snap.
Poe Pvp experience
https://youtu.be/Z6eg3aB_V1g?t=302
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Last edited by Antigegner#0560 on May 24, 2018, 6:39:08 AM
You guys keep assuming that I complain because I am not good enough, when I am simply asking to keep the PvP crap (call it pseudo-PvP or whatever if you prefer) for PvP players. Don't go adding it in the middle of PvE content.
I have no reason whatsoever to complain about Shaper or Elder, as it's PvE content within PvE content, no matter how hard it is.
It's the same kind of thinking as it would be if completion of a certain map required for Atlas completion suddenly required racing mechanics in order to complete: it doesn't belong there.
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MrTremere wrote:
You guys keep assuming that I complain because I am not good enough, when I am simply asking to keep the PvP crap (call it pseudo-PvP or whatever if you prefer) for PvP players. Don't go adding it in the middle of PvE content.

Then you're also complaining about the existence of Rogue Exiles, too? They were a pseudo-PvP element as well.

Simply put, this is a game with VARIETY. Don't expect to repeat the exact same thing over and over and over again.

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MrTremere wrote:
I have no reason whatsoever to complain about Shaper or Elder, as it's PvE content within PvE content, no matter how hard it is.

Well, from what I've seen of your experience... Trust me, you'll be back and whining about them if/when you get that far

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MrTremere wrote:
It's the same kind of thinking as it would be if completion of a certain map required for Atlas completion suddenly required racing mechanics in order to complete: it doesn't belong there.

Well, by that logic, start complaining because of ANY build limitations for ANY content. What next, you gonna whine because the Shield Charge/Whirling Blades meta can't do Pillars of Arun?
Rufalius, hybrid Aura/Arc/Mana Guardian | Hemorae, TS Raider | Wuru, Ele Hit Wand Trickster
it's pretty amusing that my molten strike duelist has no issues with shaper whatsoever and doesn't die, but fails to kill Grizlaz.

Great map 10/10.

Is there acutally a melee character that can clear THE WHOLE ATLAS?
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EUDiaBoLuS wrote:
it's pretty amusing that my molten strike duelist has no issues with shaper whatsoever and doesn't die, but fails to kill Grizlaz.

Great map 10/10.

Is there acutally a melee character that can clear THE WHOLE ATLAS?

Just use Balefire (or any weapon socketed with scorching ray and some support gems) as a switch weapon, problem solved.

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