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It's a shame but I guess it's just how things go. People get interested and sign up, then lose interest and forget the whole thing.
Or, people sign up and do other things than spam a forum for a game they haven't played yet. Some people simply don't like forums and see no reason to participate in them.
About all the accounts that didn't participate in the open weekend: it was only 2 days. People have other life obligations that could very well interfere with or take precedence over testing a game for a few hours, especially when there will be a wipe anyway. There is only so much you can provide good feedback on after a few hours of gameplay. I could understand many people passing up the open weekend in favor of other things. I would bet that a couple weeks of open beta would easily see twice as many accounts.
Closed Beta/Alpha Tester back after a 10-year hiatus.
Kiwi pets and Spark spam FTW.
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Posted byWhiteBoyon Apr 10, 2012, 12:33:41 PMAlpha Member
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I'd say they are trolling us to get the forums more active, I think its working. haha
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Posted byiWick3don Apr 10, 2012, 5:09:03 PM
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0.001% chance of getting into CB EVEN WITH 10x chances just from posting on the forums (assuming 100k people are registered and that you only are monitoring one account).
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Posted bywannabgmon Apr 10, 2012, 10:18:12 PM
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According to the FAQ, we should be in Open Beta already -.-
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Posted byYeleroon Apr 11, 2012, 2:33:40 AM
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Mark_GGG - What I think/thought he/she was refering to is what we keep on seeing is these 2 things together:
Join date: Feb 1, 2012 00:00
Last Visited: Feb 1, 2012 00:01
For the people that are following things and not posting is not the issue that we are voicing - what we are saying is that these people only create an account then never come back which makes the people whom follow the game feel a bit aggravated when we see them invited.
Those people are the ones I was talking about. You have no evidence that those people aren't visiting the site regularly, and we have data from looking at ips viewing the site that suggests a lot of them are.
Visiting the site and logging in are NOT the same thing. You can't just look at an account, see that it hadn't logged in, and then say they haven't visited the site. The only thing you need to log in to do is post. People can, and do, come visit the site and read the forums without ever logging in.
All you know about accounts like that is that they haven't logged in, and therefore haven't posted. NOT that they haven't been visiting the site.
And we do get people who don't log in and post until they get in, and then start posting and giving useful feedback.
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I understand the words when you said "...unnecessary, detrimental to the beta, and unethical..." but I ponder as to why this would be.
It would be unnecessary because it would involve work on our end for no real gain (and some loss).
It would be detrimental to the beta because the point of the beta is to get feedback to help improve the game. To make the game as good as possible for everyone, we need feedback from as wide a variety of people as possible. Making the proposed change would severly skew the kinds of people who get in to give us feedback towards those with lots of free time or who enjoy posting on forums, meaning we wouldn't be getting feedback from other kinds of people which would be relevant to helping make the game good for them too.
It would be unethical because we explicitly told everyone that signing up means you have a chance at the beta and you don't need to do anything else. Changing that now would be going back on our word and showing extreme disrespect for fans who've been following the game for a very long time. We already get lots of threads like this one where people make unfounded assumptions about others and how often they visit the site because they feel more entitled than others to something they were never promised. Imagine how much worse that would be if people were complaining that the fair chance they were promised and to which they are therefore entitled had been taken away from them?
Plus, going back on our word like that would just plain be a dick move, and here at GGG, we try not be dicks.
If those people who's join date is the same as last visited day are really waiting and watching the site as GGG says, i don't think that it would be wrong for them, if they see message that they need to login in order to get a key :)
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Posted byInstereoon Apr 11, 2012, 3:18:15 AM
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Let's assume there are 100,000 members registered for CB.
1. If posting gives you 10x the chance of getting randomly picked, the total amount of posters might be 1% (at best) of the entire registered population.
2. We don't see many members being picked randomly that have posted (even once). That means that even though posters are given a 10x chance boost, the majority is non-posters and they outweigh us by:
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1.0 - (('posters' / ('non-posters' + 'posters')) * 10)
That makes for 90% of non-posters being selected (as opposed to the original 99%). Still, 90% is a HUGE chunk of members being selected.
If you made another account (assuming that you're an angel and have only made one, currently), your chances of being selected would LITERALLY double. Does that mean: "oh, yeah! I'm gettin' in now!!"? No, it does not. You went from being selected at a rate of 0.001% to 0.002%. I'm so happy for you (although, if both accounts post, you move from the original 0.001% to 0.02%; that's HUGE). Last edited by PeRV on Apr 11, 2012, 3:42:27 AM
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