Remove Ancient Reliquary Keys from the game at the end of the Legacy League

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allbusiness wrote:

Mirrors are a good chase because they instantly hold value no matter what, and are an incredibly powerful item. Same with other uniques from the past that were chase such as Shavs.


The keys are 40 chaos at best and are super RNG and hold no value outside of the '.000000000000000000001%' chance of getting a non bad item. Comparing the two are incompatible.

the comparison is fine.

you kill a monster, there is a tiny chance this will lead to an amazing item, but it probably wont. The key is just a staggered process for an item drop, the comparison is fine, the mechanic is fine, the drop rate and chance of getting something op is fine, imo.

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allbusiness wrote:

And how many people can obtain a shavs or kaoms?

far too many. An energy from within jewel is worth 2 kaoms hearts for goodness sake.

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Snorkle_uk wrote:

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allbusiness wrote:

Mirrors are a good chase because they instantly hold value no matter what, and are an incredibly powerful item. Same with other uniques from the past that were chase such as Shavs.


The keys are 40 chaos at best and are super RNG and hold no value outside of the '.000000000000000000001%' chance of getting a non bad item. Comparing the two are incompatible.

the comparison is fine.

you kill a monster, there is a tiny chance this will lead to an amazing item, but it probably wont. The key is just a staggered process for an item drop, the comparison is fine, the mechanic is fine, the drop rate and chance of getting something op is fine, imo.

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allbusiness wrote:

And how many people can obtain a shavs or kaoms?

far too many. An energy from within jewel is worth 2 kaoms hearts for goodness sake.

Energy from within got ninja nerfed with no one saying anything. That has nothing to do with people having too many Kaoms or Shavs. Not many people are fully decked out in full and total LL gear or a Kaoms. The vast majority of people never reach past Cruel let alone maps, and then the vast majority of people in maps never hit red maps.


Staggered RNG is the worst kind of RNG there is. Especially considering there is a massive difference between a key and a mirror, one that is worthless in 99.9% of cases, while the other is overpowered beyond reason in 99.9% cases when used properly. GGG is completely relying on gambler's fallacy in order to get people to continue to play, but everyone has pretty much seen through the charade.


Again, you and goetz are vastly blowing up this perceived problem that everyone is crushing maps and is just mega filthy rich and has whatever they want.

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allbusiness wrote:

Energy from within got ninja nerfed with no one saying anything. That has nothing to do with people having too many Kaoms or Shavs. Not many people are fully decked out in full and total LL gear or a Kaoms. The vast majority of people never reach past Cruel let alone maps, and then the vast majority of people in maps never hit red maps.


Staggered RNG is the worst kind of RNG there is. Especially considering there is a massive difference between a key and a mirror, one that is worthless in 99.9% of cases, while the other is overpowered beyond reason in 99.9% cases when used properly. GGG is completely relying on gambler's fallacy in order to get people to continue to play, but everyone has pretty much seen through the charade.


Again, you and goetz are vastly blowing up this perceived problem that everyone is crushing maps and is just mega filthy rich and has whatever they want.

True they adjusted the rarity tier of it because it was and likely is too powerful, it simply shouldn't exists IMO because the ES nodes in the tree are already higher, the scaling from int is better and the rolls of es gear are higher as well. Simply put they add further scalability of es nodes, where there is no need of such thing.


The main part of playing the league was and should be to use the leaguestones to customize your playing experience. Because of no new league uniques being added (although many were changed) they wanted to add something further for people to chase, before the large changes that come with 3.0, thats where the relics come into play.


Its not that everyone is, its that everyone can. Its easier to get to the point to start farming areas where shavs can drop, its easier to get to a place to farm the corrupted koams heart cards, its easier to find them also because of increased drop rates, which massively lowers the price because the supply is much higher.



The game never was and never should be about the "casual player", you said it yourself that most people never reach past cruel, so having increased drop rates of items, despite getting more players isn't necessary, because those players don't reach a point where 1) they even can find them or 2) use them.

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allbusiness wrote:

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Snorkle_uk wrote:

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allbusiness wrote:

Mirrors are a good chase because they instantly hold value no matter what, and are an incredibly powerful item. Same with other uniques from the past that were chase such as Shavs.


The keys are 40 chaos at best and are super RNG and hold no value outside of the '.000000000000000000001%' chance of getting a non bad item. Comparing the two are incompatible.

the comparison is fine.

you kill a monster, there is a tiny chance this will lead to an amazing item, but it probably wont. The key is just a staggered process for an item drop, the comparison is fine, the mechanic is fine, the drop rate and chance of getting something op is fine, imo.

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allbusiness wrote:

And how many people can obtain a shavs or kaoms?

far too many. An energy from within jewel is worth 2 kaoms hearts for goodness sake.

Energy from within got ninja nerfed with no one saying anything. That has nothing to do with people having too many Kaoms or Shavs. Not many people are fully decked out in full and total LL gear or a Kaoms. The vast majority of people never reach past Cruel let alone maps, and then the vast majority of people in maps never hit red maps.


Staggered RNG is the worst kind of RNG there is. Especially considering there is a massive difference between a key and a mirror, one that is worthless in 99.9% of cases, while the other is overpowered beyond reason in 99.9% cases when used properly. GGG is completely relying on gambler's fallacy in order to get people to continue to play, but everyone has pretty much seen through the charade.


Again, you and goetz are vastly blowing up this perceived problem that everyone is crushing maps and is just mega filthy rich and has whatever they want.

the rng of getting a key and then getting something good for it is probably higher than getting a mirror, it doesnt matter if the key itself has mirrorlike value. Staggered rng is the worst... I see no reason to agree with that.


Kaoms is 2ex, its way too cheap. I farmed 4ex from nothing in the last 24 hours in legacy, mainly from chaos recipe, friend crafted an op pair of gloves so I had to start playing to get some money to buy them off him. Shavs used to be 80 exalts unlinked, whats it worth now?

Sure shavs is not as good as it used to be because of aura nerfs but its still stupidly cheap, to the point where finding a shavs or a kaoms is now worth what finding a rats nest or a binos used to be. finding a rats nest or a binos now is like finding 3 chaos, its pathetic. Any endgame player with a basic grasp of trading even mildly efficiently can get a shavs or a kaoms in a matter of days, anyone who cares to do 3 merciless docks runs can get a binos or a rats nest, its a total joke.