Donald Trump and US politics

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faerwin wrote:

Do you really believe that something as easy as spoofing prevents someone from being retraced? Spoofing is a complete joke for anyone that's able to hack into something and yet, these hackers get retraced, arrested and prosecuted (assuming they are in a country that allow it to happen).

Please stop thinking something as basic as spoofing prevents others from retracing you.

There is evidence that the NSA could have produced that would be conclusive. What they showed was not that. What they showed could all be spoofed, you know it, I know it, and the digital security companies that analyzed it said so.

Didnt hildabeast sell all our uranium mines to Russia as state sec? Whos more in bed w/ Russia?

If dummies were smart they'd be looking at Saudi Arabia who Trump lambasted in campaign and now sucks Saudi cock. This is a country with 800 billion reserves. Can make Trump Inc very happy unlike broke ass Russia. Basically North Korea with more nukes.

@DalaiLama:

You stated your positions very clearly. I will let your words speak for themselves.


what do you see as sources of truth? Who can be trusted to tell the truth? You have ruled out the FBI, CIA and NSA. Given all the forgetfulness and omissions by Trump campaign and WH staff, documents like tax forms may be the most honest information available. If the tax forms are not truthful, then you have just named Trump as guilty of tax fraud.

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ChanBalam wrote:

Here is what I've heard from Trump supporters:

On Russian Interference: Never happened; no proof; all the US intelligence agencies are corrupt and can't be trusted; its all about Hillary; the media made it all up.

Trump campaign communications with Russians: no response;

Michael Flynn: no response

Business ties to Russia: Doing business with Russia is not a crime.

Trump efforts to sideline investigation: no response.

Overall, responders have just labeled me as part of the witch hunt; an anti trump librul who cannot accept defeat, or I offer nothing but biased bullshit.

You're seriously implying anyone that disagrees with you is a Trump supporter? That's pretty fucking lame and you know it. You're making every issue into a partisan issue for no reason.

Okay, here, I'll feed your obsession:
- On Russian Interference: They probably did try to change the election. They didn't collude with Trump. They probably didn't even affect the outcome meaningfully.
- On Trump communicates with Russia: Not a crime.
- On Michael Flynn: He might get imprisoned, but it won't blow back onto Trump.
- On Trump does business with Russia: Not a crime.
- On Trump "sidelines investigation": Not a crime, but as I said earlier, comments to Comey were extremely unsavoury.

Note that I said most of this in the last few pages. It's still a witch-hunt (confirmed by Comey himself that Trump is not related to the Russia investigation in any way), and it's becoming very obvious that you cannot accept that.

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ChanBalam wrote:

@DalaiLama:

You stated your positions very clearly. I will let your words speak for themselves.


what do you see as sources of truth? Who can be trusted to tell the truth? You have ruled out the FBI, CIA and NSA. Given all the forgetfulness and omissions by Trump campaign and WH staff, documents like tax forms may be the most honest information available. If the tax forms are not truthful, then you have just named Trump as guilty of tax fraud.

How about evidence. Hear say especially from CIA/NSA/FBI who have whole web sites dedicated to their lies are not evidence. If you believe them I got some beach front property in Oklahoma to sell you.

You said you were old. Obviously not wise. Seem to forgot about Yellowcake from Niger and Iraqs WMDs lies b4. Or the roaming incubators. Maybe you only believe when it suits agenda?


Me personally someone lies once I write them off. Lifes too short.

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pneuma wrote:

You're seriously implying anyone that disagrees with you is a Trump supporter? That's pretty fucking lame and you know it. You're making every issue into a partisan issue for no reason.

Okay, here, I'll feed your obsession:
- On Russian Interference: They probably did try to change the election. They didn't collude with Trump. They probably didn't even affect the outcome meaningfully.
- On Trump communicates with Russia: Not a crime.
- On Michael Flynn: He might get imprisoned, but it won't blow back onto Trump.
- On Trump does business with Russia: Not a crime.
- On Trump "sidelines investigation": Not a crime, but as I said earlier, comments to Comey were extremely unsavoury.

Note that I said most of this in the last few pages. It's still a witch-hunt (confirmed by Comey himself that Trump is not related to the Russia investigation in any way), and it's becoming very obvious that you cannot accept that.

It certainly has appeared to me that most of those responding here do support trump. If I have wrongly labeled you as such and you are not,then I apologize. I am certainly not making this a partisan issue. It has been a partisan issue across all frameworks ever since the election.

As I said in my original post. i would like particular questions answered. I do not know what those answers will be. I am biased and do think that "bad stuff" will come out. What? Again I do not know. I hope we all get to find out.

Hypothetical: say, we find out that Jared Kushner's contact with either/both the Russian embassy or the Russian bank turn out to be attempts to launder Russian money or trade lifted sanctions for Russian money, would you say that is a crime or not? We will only know if there is an investigation.

If it is a witch hunt, nothing will turn up. Trump will be vindicated. The sooner the better. To end this, all Trump has to do is put all his cords on the table, testify to Mueller and force the FBI to come forth with what think is evidence. Trump's problem is that he looks guilty. He acts guilty.

I will accept what ever the findings of the Mueller investigation turn out to be.

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Aim_Deep wrote:

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ChanBalam wrote:

@DalaiLama:

You stated your positions very clearly. I will let your words speak for themselves.


what do you see as sources of truth? Who can be trusted to tell the truth? You have ruled out the FBI, CIA and NSA. Given all the forgetfulness and omissions by Trump campaign and WH staff, documents like tax forms may be the most honest information available. If the tax forms are not truthful, then you have just named Trump as guilty of tax fraud.

How about evidence. Hear say especially from CIA/NSA/FBI who have whole web sites dedicated to their lies are not evidence. If you believe them I got some beach front property in Oklahoma to sell you.

You said you were old. Obviously not wise. Seem to forgot about Yellowcake from Niger and Iraqs WMDs lies b4. Or the roaming incubators. Maybe you only believe when it suits agenda?


Me personally someone lies once I write them off. Lifes too short.

What are the sources of truthful evidence that you would accept? It is easy to say everyone is lying, but that doesn't get us anywhere. who isn't lying in all this? Who do you trust?

BTW, I am old, but pretty thoughtful and practical about how the world works. I am not ideological in the least. If you want to trade insults about age and experience, just send then to my pm address rather than clutter up the discussion.

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Trump's problem is that he looks guilty. He acts guilty.

LOL to me MS media and socialists (or do I repeat myself) looks and acts guilty of a coup.
http://thefederalist.com/2017/05/19/watching-slow-motion-coup-detat/

Truths we cling to are from a certain POV. You're a socialist dem ofc you see "it" and probably all your deadbeat friends. Mine dont, See a man against the machine.

I dont even like Trumo But deep state coup is obvious.

Even Liberals like Chris Hedges says it.

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ChanBalam wrote:

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Aim_Deep wrote:

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ChanBalam wrote:

@DalaiLama:

You stated your positions very clearly. I will let your words speak for themselves.


what do you see as sources of truth? Who can be trusted to tell the truth? You have ruled out the FBI, CIA and NSA. Given all the forgetfulness and omissions by Trump campaign and WH staff, documents like tax forms may be the most honest information available. If the tax forms are not truthful, then you have just named Trump as guilty of tax fraud.

How about evidence. Hear say especially from CIA/NSA/FBI who have whole web sites dedicated to their lies are not evidence. If you believe them I got some beach front property in Oklahoma to sell you.

You said you were old. Obviously not wise. Seem to forgot about Yellowcake from Niger and Iraqs WMDs lies b4. Or the roaming incubators. Maybe you only believe when it suits agenda?


Me personally someone lies once I write them off. Lifes too short.

What are the sources of truthful evidence that you would accept? It is easy to say everyone is lying, but that doesn't get us anywhere. who isn't lying in all this? Who do you trust?

BTW, I am old, but pretty thoughtful and practical about how the world works. I am not ideological in the least. If you want to trade insults about age and experience, just send then to my pm address rather than clutter up the discussion.

Smoking gun. Like Nixon tapes would suffice.

He said she said is bullshit especially with trillions of dollars on the line keeping Russia as enemy. Cui bono.