Chris getting a lot of shit on r/poe

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vio wrote:

well it's reddit. their decision to rather respond to forums out of their reach.

what they get is the unfiltered truth and they seem to like it more than the civilised feedback from their own forums where hate posts an admitting to ToS violations has rather bad consequences.

i never understood the motivation of ggg to push players outside their own forums to really voice their opinions.

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Hyskoa wrote:

It's a very easy step to go from sycophantic supporters to toxic opposition. All you need to do is poorly or not address performance issues for a long amount of time. Add in a strong adherence to forcing people to use shadows, graphic laggy elements, botting, massive scripting, currency flippers, protection of scammers and ordering servers only when the community complains hard enough and boom, instant toxicity. All created by prioritizing badly.

But I'm sure the game will continue as it is until it breaks down in flames.

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Shagsbeard wrote:

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Mythabril wrote:

Meh. Both haters and sycophants are pretty much useless for feedback purposes.

So is classifying everything as either black or white.

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Hyskoa wrote:

It's a very easy step to go from sycophantic supporters to toxic opposition. All you need to do is poorly or not address performance issues for a long amount of time. Add in a strong adherence to forcing people to use shadows, graphic laggy elements, botting, massive scripting, currency flippers, protection of scammers and ordering servers only when the community complains hard enough and boom, instant toxicity. All created by prioritizing badly.

But I'm sure the game will continue as it is until it breaks down in flames.

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Cataca wrote:

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Hyskoa wrote:

It's a very easy step to go from sycophantic supporters to toxic opposition. All you need to do is poorly or not address performance issues for a long amount of time. Add in a strong adherence to forcing people to use shadows, graphic laggy elements, botting, massive scripting, currency flippers, protection of scammers and ordering servers only when the community complains hard enough and boom, instant toxicity. All created by prioritizing badly.

But I'm sure the game will continue as it is until it breaks down in flames.

People just blow things way out of proportion.

Are those things issues? Sure. Glaring ones? No.

At least not anywhere close to the "breaking down in flames" magnitude of things.

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Hyskoa wrote:

Only if you have a very recent pc with an ssd. Otherwise, if you're part of the majority who don't, those are priority one issues.

ggg made their game to be of the Korean deathgrind type, which is popular in Korea. A country where people die at their desk playing videogames. In the EU and America however, people don't indulge in the same fanatical way. So they will hack, cheat, scam, script and use whatever means necessary to get their enjoyment from the game.

What ggg now has is 3 acts of decent quality/optimized content spread over 12 acts with an endgame that literally kills braincells once you get past lvl 90.

So people buy gear with real money and use bots/scripts to fix what they perceive as the bad parts of the game to enjoy the good parts of the game.

Your defence might be that it's ggg's decision on how their game goes, which is true. But it's the end user's decision on how they will deal with this. If people follow the advice of "just play other games if you don't like it", the game will be empty.
No more donations => dead game, no more ggg.


So rather than stay stubborn, ggg and all the white knights on this forum should see botters/scripters/rmt'ers as a way for the majority of end users to convey their opinion on the current state of the game.

A game which is frankly broken on a fundamental level due to selecting to make their own version, rather than use an existing one that isn't spaghetti code.

So by all means, avoid or ignore the issue of rampant botting/scripting and rmt'ing. As those people will surely ignore you back until the problems are solved.

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ggg made their game to be of the Korean deathgrind type, which is popular in Korea. A country where people die at their desk playing videogames. In the EU and America however, people don't indulge in the same fanatical way.