Flame Totem with Three Dragons do not proc HoT on kill effect

Mark wrote once:

Totems/Traps/Mines don't have their own skills - they're linked to you and cast your spells, with your stats, just like you would, so they'll inflict EE if you have it.

http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/19803/page/4#p528448

Yet Flame Totem do not proc Herald of Thunder "If you kill a shocked enemy, lightning bolts will strike enemies around you for a short duration" effect.

I'm shocking mobs with Flame Totem and The Three Dragons Helmet (shock chance from Static Blows, Celestrial Punishment ect.), but there are no additional lighting bolts after killing shocked enemy. Is it a bug, or does it work like it should?

I know description says "If YOU kill a shocked enemy, lightning bolts will strike enemies around YOU for a short duration.", but so does Elemental Equilibrium "Enemies YOU hit with Elemental Damage temporarily get +25% Resistances to those Elements and −50% Resistances to other Elements" and and Mark wrote, totems proc EE..

HoT works with regular flame totem, but rarely so becuase the shock duration is neglible. Most likely it is still true using 3 dragons

The No, Heralds will never proc using a totem. The totem gets the kill, not the player. The player has to get the kill to proc it.

HoT do proc m8.

Just head to act 1 normal, equip a flame totem and run HoT

You're getting your HoT proc from something else. The totem cannot ever proc it. Are you using fire traps? What other skills are you using? Fire Traps? Normally traps can't trigger on kill effects either, but Fire Trap is a little different with its burning ground effect. If something dies to that, the trap is no longer there to get the on kill effect so it goes to the player.

Herald of Thunder adds damage to spells you cast. Since the totem is casting a spell as if it were "you" casting it (ie, using your stats) that damage is included. Anything that spell does that has an effect on an opponent, such as applying Shock or EE or Blind, would also be included in this.

However, it is still the totem casting the spell not you, so any on kill effects, leech, charges awarded (but that runs into totems poor charge capacity) go to the totem. In the case of Heralds, the secondary effects specify "you" killed the mob so will not work for totems.

Note that in a party, only a char who has EE will have spells which cause the debuff, but since it is a debuff applied to the monster everyone will benefit (or not as the case may be).

My own experience with Arc Totem + Fire Trap is that HoT triggers rarely, and only when I've heavily used traps. Other totem/trap setups I've used though seem to never proc any of the heralds. Ground Fire kills not being attributed to the Fire Trap would explain this.

It does gain damage from HoT (was actually suprised it did, but yeah works for both HoT and HoI). And it kinda makes sense since it says it adds to your spells.

I DO NO use traps or mines, only totems. And I can from time to time shock enemies using flame totem. Dont use sub-par damage and perhaps you'll see a difference. Oh, and it seems the lightning strikes proc FROM YOU, meaning you have to be close.

Only question is if it's intended or not. I might try it with HoI and report back.

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Saltygames wrote:

It does gain damage from HoT (was actually suprised it did, but yeah works for both HoT and HoI). And it kinda makes sense since it says it adds to your spells.

I DO NO use traps or mines, only totems. And I can from time to time shock enemies using flame totem. Dont use sub-par damage and perhaps you'll see a difference. Oh, and it seems the lightning strikes proc FROM YOU, meaning you have to be close.

Only question is if it's intended or not. I might try it with HoI and report back.

You can shock using Flame Totems. There is no question about that. But the Herald wouldn't trigger if the totem gets the kill. What about culling? Do you ever cast anything other than the totem that can cull? If you're getting the lightning strikes and your totem is doing the killing, it's a bug. That's not supposed to happen ever.

After some testing with ice spear and arc, using spell totem, i must agree that I've encountered a bug. It doesn't work, normally. Even tried the flame totem in Ledge, but couldn't replicate it.

In some maps, using flame totem, HoT does proc strangely enough. Will make a screen shot next time i see it.

EDIT: Picture uploaded. DEVS, see spoiler please





map mods were 2 additional rogue exiles, and cursed by vulnerability

could be becuase of the elemental weakness curse. mayhaps

EDIT: got it to work in the Ledge just now.

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Saltygames wrote:

HoT works with regular flame totem, but rarely so becuase the shock duration is neglible. Most likely it is still true using 3 dragons

Even with plenty Shock duration nodes and Thunderfist gloves it does not proc, it's not the shock duration issue. I can observe shock duration even few seconds after I kill mob on it's body, but no HoT on kill effect.

I think since, as Mark wrote, totems cast skills 'as you would cast', it should proc on kill effect the same as totem proc Elemental Equilibrium.