VictorDoom's 2h Staff Cycloner(Uber killer) [Updated 1.3]

forgive me if this has been answered already (but i didnt read the whole thread):
why do you use unwavering stance?
When using cyclone, you cannot be stunned anyway?

edit: ah, a few pages earlier you answered it already, sry.


for me, I have cyclone on the right mouse button, and simply keep it pressed, so there is no 'in between', where i could be stunned.

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Ceratoidei wrote:

not that bad xD

btw how far away are you from the crit cap? your tree just provides 345% inc crit... no pc, so with acuity, diamonds + ammy you are at ~ 1 + 3,45 + 2 (pc) + 1,6 (gear) = 8,05 which should be ~75% which is pretty bad and inconsistent

I'm thinking of trying Crit Cap Acuity Version, I guess I could keep Haste off and leech Mana via Acuity, as any Gem provides more dps than Haste

That staff is pretty good

My crit chance was not high at all, only about 40%, but i felt like it was enough since cyclone has very high aps which means you crit very often anyway, so i went with a ton of life and regen cause i like being tanky



Ive tried mana, it wont work even with acuities, the mana cost of cyclone is too high, even if you go EB youd have to stack about 400 mana regen and have a ridiculous pool of mana to sustain a 5link cyclone, for 6l youd need acuities on top of all that mana regen and pool. And that is definitely not worth doing just to save 1 link

if you want to cap out on crit effectively you want to use this as a scion:


With a 9.15% crit base staff you would need to use: maligaros or acuities, rats nest, critical strike chance on amulet and 1 diamond ring along with the PCoC gem, this would bring you to 95% crit chance

you ditch haste for purity of elements if you need it to cap your resists, or vitality if its already capped

By the way reflect isnt dangereous even without acuities(the only reason people use these is because of reflect, mana leech and instant leech for uber) because the actual danger comes from physical reflect which you negate with CWDT-END CRY-IC-INC duration(all level 20) setup. So acuities really arent needed

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Pendarric wrote:

forgive me if this has been answered already (but i didnt read the whole thread):
why do you use unwavering stance?
When using cyclone, you cannot be stunned anyway?


for me, I have cyclone on the right mouse button, and simply keep it pressed, so there is no 'in between', where i could be stunned.

It doesnt matter if its been answered already, i dont expect anyone to read 8 pages of posts to find an answer, if you want to know anything just ask away :)

Cyclone makes you immune to stun and knockback, i take unwavering stance in the build because you may get stunned when you dont cyclone like when youre running around and some charges come at you, 1 point for it is a neat investment

@Victor I can't believe you, if you compare it with ST with 70Mana/Attack and 7-9 Aps back in 1.2 or 1.1, I don't remember... the mana costs are quite ok and with Acuity you are able to sustain any attack as long as your mana leech is big enough

you dont need clarity or eb, acuity works around the 12,5% leech cap

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Ceratoidei wrote:

@Victor I can't believe you, if you compare it with ST with 70Mana/Attack and 7-9 Aps back in 1.2 or 1.1, I don't remember... the mana costs are quite ok and with Acuity you are able to sustain any attack as long as your mana leech is big enough

you dont need clarity or eb, acuity works around the 12,5% leech cap

You can just try it to see how much mana you lose when you cast it normally, cyclone doesnt work like any other skils when it comes to mana drain, when you cyclone it drains it immensely fast because its aps is based on movement speed and attack speed too

on my marauder for example, i have 800 life regen and 189 mana cost cyclone(bm gem) and it still drains my life

97 points

so basically the same like for any acuity build, you need a mana flask for safety, but as long you hit enemies, its not a problem at all, dunno why you keep telling its not possible

btw 55k (tooltip) just with that fast try

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Ceratoidei wrote:

proof of concept

97 points

so basically the same like for any acuity build, you need a mana flask for safety, but as long you hit enemies, its not a problem at all, dunno why you keep telling its not possible

btw 55k just with that fast try

Hm i guess it does work if you have max crit chance since you always leech it back when you hit, do you do long cyclones or do you spam it?

yeah thats the reason you want to reach crit cap with acuity :D
its like "god mode on"
as long as you hit enemies you can spam, I had no mana flask with me, so I had to use a defaul attack to get my mana back from time to time xD
but I had like 200 unreserved Mana, which means I can do 2 rounds without hitting anything

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Ceratoidei wrote:

yeah thats the reason you want to reach crit cap with acuity :D
its like "god mode on"
as long as you hit enemies you can spam, I had no mana flask with me, so I had to use a defaul attack to get my mana back from time to time xD
but I had like 200 unreserved Mana, which means I can do 2 rounds without hitting anything

Yeah its pretty awesome to crit cap, you also get constant instant leech too

Well just to be safe since you only got 2 casts to miss you could carry a instant mana flasks, in case youre desycnhed or you miss a mob you pop that and it fills up 200 mana

and you should use this tree:

yeah good idea but over capped crit I guess and 170% life compared to 200% but good ideas... it was just a 3min tree, I guess we still could optimize it :D
and I dont like the scion start... just had a free respec

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Ceratoidei wrote:

yeah good idea but over capped crit I guess and 170% life compared to 200% but good ideas... it was just a 3min tree, I guess we still could optimize it :D
and I dont like the scion start... just had a free respec

Well if you want to get capped crit the scion start is the best start since you have to go through the middle and if you overcap your crit since you have more on gear you can spec out of the power charge and flat shadow crit and grab more life

30% life< acrobatics, you should really try to get it because its insanely good