Vaal Molten Sheel Overwritten By Molten Shell

Vaal molten shell is bugged and gets cancelled whenever a normal molten shell is activated. This makes it impossible for vaal molten shell to be used while having a molten shell equipped to cwdt in any and all situations.
Don't kill me, but i'm fairly sure that it's intended. If you have 2 Arctic armor gems and you canst the level 5 first and than the level 1, it gets overwritten, since both provide the same "buff"
Yes, this is intended behaviour. Both provide the same molten shell buff, which can only be on the character once at a time, replacing any previous differences. They only differ in when the skill will remove that buff itself.

If this proves to be a serious problem in play, we could maybe prevent regular molten shell from being castable while a vaal molten shell is in effect, so it would fail rather than replacing? I'm not sure at this stage if there would be any unintended negative consequences of that.
Last edited by Mark_GGG on Mar 25, 2014, 5:44:54 PM
Ever since the implementation of CwDT I've been exclusively using Molten Shell in a trigger, which sadly makes Vaal Molten Shell totally unusable. Vaal Molten Shell essentially has a hidden cost of not using triggered Molten Shell.

Is it possible to disable automatic triggering of Molten Shell if Vaal Molten Shell is active but still allow casted Molten Shell to replace the Vaal version (hardcore toons might require this functionality, I play softcore)? This would probably be a bit difficult to communicate to players too...
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Mark_GGG wrote:
If this proves to be a serious problem in play, we could maybe prevent regular molten shell from being castable while a vaal molten shell is in effect, so it would fail rather than replacing? I'm not sure at this stage if there would be any unintended negative consequences of that.


I would really appreciate that change. It's annoying that vaal molten shell simply "disappears" when you cast the regular version afterwards (with or without CwDT). I mean you can't cast it when you want to. You have to collect souls to cast it.
Last edited by Freddy2304 on Mar 28, 2014, 10:21:42 AM
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Mark_GGG wrote:
Yes, this is intended behaviour. Both provide the same molten shell buff, which can only be on the character once at a time, replacing any previous differences. They only differ in when the skill will remove that buff itself.

If this proves to be a serious problem in play, we could maybe prevent regular molten shell from being castable while a vaal molten shell is in effect, so it would fail rather than replacing? I'm not sure at this stage if there would be any unintended negative consequences of that.


That would make a lot more sense to me.
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Mark_GGG wrote:

If this proves to be a serious problem in play, we could maybe prevent regular molten shell from being castable while a vaal molten shell is in effect, so it would fail rather than replacing? I'm not sure at this stage if there would be any unintended negative consequences of that.


Please do this change.
Its very annoying to have to remove normal molten shell from cwdt setup every time u want to cast vaal one.
I have dropped regular molten shell on cwdt in favor of the vaal version. I use all high level gems of cwdt + LL + vaal mlt shl + inc dur. Even if you don't use the cwdt, I believe this is superior to a regular molten shell going off every other second.

Vaal molten shell is absolutely amazing (especially with more spell damage from RF), even more so in big groups and vs rapid fire enemies (like incinerate) or the titty spike girls. Maybe an incr aoe for the 4th link instead of cwdt? Just a thought.
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Last edited by litesabr on Apr 5, 2014, 6:19:09 PM
I think that best change would be to prevent buff coming from gem with higher level to not be overwritten by same gem of lower level... It would make a lot more sense and would solve this particular issue aswell.

Anyway I would be glad for whatever will solve this issue with Vaal Molten Shell being canceled by "crappier" Molten Shell connected to CWDT gem.
Last edited by Diphal on Apr 21, 2014, 5:16:55 AM
srsly.
please fix it.
your gimping the potential of a usable vaal gem.

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