Does reduced mana have a cap or this gem is buged?

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junaum wrote:
Auras setup leave me with 102 free mana on Alpha´s (both level 20 and level 18).

BUT

Gets 32 free mana (no alpha - level 20)

and

7 free mana (no alpha - level 18)

Difference is substantial.

Yeah, that math checks out. That's how it should be.

With Alpha's and either 18/20 Gem, you get 29% Mana Reserved on the Auras.
Without Alpha's and with Level 20, you get 32% Mana Reserved on the Auras.
Without Alpha's and with Level 18, you get 33% Mana Reserved on the Auras.

Since you're running 3x 60% Auras, that'd come to 87%(29%*3), 96%(32%*3), or 99%(33%*3) of your Mana Reserved, respectively.

Which comes to the Mana Remaining that you said. ~.^
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Last edited by Sheriff_K#3938 on Mar 21, 2014, 11:22:25 AM
Thanks Sheriff! That was most helpful.

One more question. If I manage to empower and/or corrupt my new L20 reduced Mana gem to L21, would that break the rounding seilling? (both, the corrupted L21 and and empowered corrupted 21 - turning it into a 22)
A level 22 Reduced Mana has a multiplier of 0.69
60 * 0.69 = 41.4, rounds to 41
A regular level 20 RM multiplies by 0.71
60 * 0.71 = 42.6, rounds to 42
(lv21: 60 * 0.7 = 42)

So yes, getting a lv22 RM will reduce your Mana Reservation.
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Vipermagi wrote:
A level 22 Reduced Mana has a multiplier of 0.69
60 * 0.69 = 41.4, rounds to 41
A regular level 20 RM multiplies by 0.71
60 * 0.71 = 42.6, rounds to 42
(lv21: 60 * 0.7 = 42)
So yes, getting a lv22 RM will reduce your Mana Reservation.


Thanks again. Allow me to abuse the privilege of this kind of consulting and ask:

To calc that With alpha´s howl and My passives would be something like this?

L22 (0.69 - 0.25 from passives - 0.08 from helm) = .36 reduction
60 * (0.36) = 21.6 (21)

Being 3 auras, should I multiply then before or after rounding? Would it be 3 x 21 (63) or 3 x 21.6 (64.8 then round to 64)?
Empower only works on Active Skills, not Supports (like Reduced Mana), and it has a Mana Multiplier of 130%. So it'd bump your Aura by +X, and increase the Mana Reserved, which is what you're trying NOT to do. :P
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Last edited by Sheriff_K#3938 on Mar 21, 2014, 11:50:49 AM
EDIT: I always forget Empower doesn't apply to Supports. I am so dumb.
Edited to reflect a regular old lv20 RM then! :P

I get to talk about Reduced Reserve calculations again, oh boy.


The full rundown is as follows:

Base Reserve is determined first. This involves the Skill and Supports (so, Reduced Mana).
60 * 0.71 = 42.6
Path of Exile always rounds down, so our Base Reserve is 42%.

Reduced+Increased, More and Less are applied to the Base Reserve. The game calculates the Reduction you get, rounds that down and subtracts it from the Base Reserve:
42 * (0.25+0.08) = 13.86, rounds to 13
42 - 13 = 29% Reserved

The same result can be found using regular old factors and rounding up:
42 * (1 - 0.25 - 0.08) = 42 * 0.67 = 28.14, round to 29%

Each Aura will Reserve 29%, and you have three of 'em, so 29 * 3 = 87% Reserved.
Last edited by Vipermagi#0984 on Mar 21, 2014, 11:59:03 AM
You guys are awesome. I get it now.

So basically, there is nothing I can to to improve the amount of free mana aside from getting additional passive points or going blood magic with some of the auras (while, obviously, selling my mother for a Shavrones chest).

For as far as I could see, getting a reduced mana to L21 (corrupt) won´t cut it.

Perhaps if I manage to get a +1 or +2 to gems on this item and setup my auras there.. hmmm. That could get the base reduction mutiplier to round for 40-41 instead of 42. BUT it looks like only weapons and helmets have that affix.
Last edited by junaum#4262 on Mar 21, 2014, 12:13:28 PM
Why do you even need more than 102 Unreserved Mana?

Are you trying to squeeze in a 40% Aura as well or something?
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Last edited by Sheriff_K#3938 on Mar 21, 2014, 12:19:00 PM
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Sheriff_K wrote:
Why do you even need more than 102 Unreserved Mana?

Are you trying to squeeze in a 40% Aura as well or something?


I'm using CI build, my attacks are mana based (crit ranger). Leeching and regen works fine as long as I don't miss my hits. Having 50 additional mana points would be much more confortable. I achieved that with maximum mana stacking on my previous gear, but thd recent upgrade ended up gimping that aspect.
Have you considered using one of these:


It has 3 Uses, and with a Crit Build, it'll generally fill a Use back up before it runs out. And as long as you keep attacking with a fast Attacks per Second, you generally won't top-out on Mana and cancel the Flask effect early.
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