Doedre's Tenure Spell Damage Apply to Skeletons?

Hello,



These gloves increase spell damage.

Skeletons, I noticed, have the 'spell' classification;



Will these gloves increase their damage?
I have no reliable way to tell via C menu, so if a GGG could chime in, that would be great! It would be totally awesome if they did too ;)

Thanks,

EDIT* For note, the cast speed reduction DOES apply to minions, so I'm hoping.

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CharanJaydemyr wrote:

Do the spell damage nodes affect minions?
Same thing.

BTW those classifications aren't always reliable. Check searing bond, for example.

This was my thought, but hard to say, the gem does have the 'spell' keyword.

On an initial testing run, I could say it might work, my pets are slaughtering foes, appears a lot quicker than before, will need more runs to get an accurate feel.

Some gear mods were changed on minions, for example: life on hit/kill, mana on hit/kill, energy shield on hit/kill, etc will apply to them.

Will update.

Hopefully a GGG can lay the real deal down.

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CharanJaydemyr wrote:

Fairly sure the spell nodes don't affect those new homing fireballs...do they say spell?

I know the spell nodes do not affect minions.



The spirits also have the 'spell' tag.
I'm doing a few runs trying to get a more accurate read.

I might be thinking fallacy, or my mind playing tricks, but it does appear minions are taking out creatures quicker.

I've made no other gear or gem changes.

Why I might think this;

I got these gloves;



I was going to try and use them, but the cost of 'spells' is too high using them.
I did however notice that their 'energy shield on kill' went under my skeletons, zombies and specters in the C menu.

Another update;

There is (I think) a noticeable damage increase, but perhaps it might be from the aura 'Hatred' ?

Hatred is also listed as a 'spell'.

Throw me a bone GGG! please!

EDIT*

I believe it might be the Hatred;

I have 17-30 physical damage listed.
Hatred is adding at 34% 10-17 cold damage.

This exceeds either 17*.34 = 5.78, or 30*.34 = 10.2

EDIT**

If it is hatred, that could explain what I see, as it takes a part of somethings phys dmg, and increases it by it's percent, my pets deal a lot more phys than I do, so if these gloves are boosting Hatreds power, it would in turn boost my pets' power.

PoE still has confusing definitions on some stuff which didn't change.


There were several suggestions to improve it but I think Mark refused.


Increased damage are like the damage node. In fact they could say +40-50 Spelldamage applied to you.


It might be better to call those Spells, Summonspells instead of spells.


Another thing not pretty clear are item/skill effects.
For example link Added Fire to any Spellgem without Physical damage.
It will add the mana cost but do nothing.
Not sure if fixed but that was a common misunderstanding.

The 15 mana on kill is such an issue.
Look at Necromantic Aegis and several shields, this makes it clearer.

The spell description on the gem most likely applies to minion instability. Hatred is definitely what is increasing their damage because they use physical dmg with their melee attacks

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De3p wrote:

The spell description on the gem most likely applies to minion instability. Hatred is definitely what is increasing their damage because they use physical dmg with their melee attacks

I'm still not sure, I can't get an accurate read out of anything from hatred in the C panel, I have aura buff nodes, a lot of them, so the numbers are off.

One other note;

When cast from 'spell totem', skeletons lose 50% of their damage. This is a very noticeable decrease. This also makes me think the 'spell damage' on this piece might increase them.

Pretty much need someone who can get the raw data to clear this up. The C panel just leads me in circles when I can't see their listed damage.

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gr00grams wrote:

Another update;

There is (I think) a noticeable damage increase, but perhaps it might be from the aura 'Hatred' ?

Hatred is also listed as a 'spell'.

Throw me a bone GGG! please!

EDIT*

I believe it might be the Hatred;

I have 17-30 physical damage listed.
Hatred is adding at 34% 10-17 cold damage.

This exceeds either 17*.34 = 5.78, or 30*.34 = 10.2

EDIT**

If it is hatred, that could explain what I see, as it takes a part of somethings phys dmg, and increases it by it's percent, my pets deal a lot more phys than I do, so if these gloves are boosting Hatreds power, it would in turn boost my pets' power.

auras for a fact don't profit from spelldmg and neither should skeletons. Spellcasting Spectre maybe...

The History of summoners in PoE is quite long and I'v never seen one equip or specc spelldmg to boost minions.
With a game as complicated as PoE there might be stuff nobody tried before, but IF spelldmg would benefit minions that's about to double every summoners dmg out there - thats HUGE.
So the basic rule of thumb: if something sounds to good to be true and nobody out there does it, then it does not work.

I'd like to know this for sure too... but my suspicion is that the 'spell' part summons the skeletons but does no damage.

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gr00grams wrote:

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De3p wrote:

The spell description on the gem most likely applies to minion instability. Hatred is definitely what is increasing their damage because they use physical dmg with their melee attacks

I'm still not sure, I can't get an accurate read out of anything from hatred in the C panel, I have aura buff nodes, a lot of them, so the numbers are off.

One other note;

When cast from 'spell totem', skeletons lose 50% of their damage. This is a very noticeable decrease. This also makes me think the 'spell damage' on this piece might increase them.

Pretty much need someone who can get the raw data to clear this up. The C panel just leads me in circles when I can't see their listed damage.

I'm not sure about the spell part but I'm 100% positive that hatred is increasing their damage. They deal physical damage