How do Chaos Inoculation builds survive?

You guys think something like
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this could work?

I'm currently making a witch I plan to use CI on, and up to this point have been using life. One thing you can do as CI is run grace and use Iron Reflex's to get a lot of armor without having to actually wear any armor gear, so you can focus on stacking ES on your gear. Iron reflex's is a long ways off though, but ideally I think the idea is the get armor from as many diffrent sources as you can apart from your gear.

You can use grace with iron reflex's, or get endurance charges, or determination aura. You also want very high resists seeing as how you're more prone to status ailments using CI.

Looking at your build you would benfit most from going iron reflex's and grace, also I suggest getting Ghost Reaver and a life leech gem on your main dps skill. Also I would grab the inner force passive. I'll look at your build and change it a bit tell me what you think.



I added inner force passive to increase effect of grace/discipline, took away cast speed and put it towards more mana and mana regen, wich you will need a lot of unless you're using a mana leech gem, and towards getting to iron reflex's. A fully leveled grace at this point should give you 2-3k armor alone.

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FoolyCoolant wrote:

I'm currently making a witch I plan to use CI on, and up to this point have been using life. One thing you can do as CI is run grace and use Iron Reflex's to get a lot of armor without having to actually wear any armor gear, so you can focus on stacking ES on your gear. Iron reflex's is a long ways off though, but ideally I think the idea is the get armor from as many diffrent sources as you can apart from your gear.

You can use grace with iron reflex's, or get endurance charges, or determination aura. You also want very high resists seeing as how you're more prone to status ailments using CI.

Looking at your build you would benfit most from going iron reflex's and grace, also I suggest getting Ghost Reaver and a life leech gem on your main dps skill. Also I would grab the inner force passive. I'll look at your build and change it a bit tell me what you think.

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FoolyCoolant wrote:

I'm currently making a witch I plan to use CI on, and up to this point have been using life. One thing you can do as CI is run grace and use Iron Reflex's to get a lot of armor without having to actually wear any armor gear, so you can focus on stacking ES on your gear. Iron reflex's is a long ways off though, but ideally I think the idea is the get armor from as many diffrent sources as you can apart from your gear.

You can use grace with iron reflex's, or get endurance charges, or determination aura. You also want very high resists seeing as how you're more prone to status ailments using CI.

Well there were two ways I considered:

Either play Templar, get armor + energy gear and nodes, turn hp regen into energy regen and a energy boosted shield(there's like 5 nodes increasing % energy) OR
Run a Witch/Shadow with lots of energy shield cooldown reduction, loads of % energy nodes and like. You still get a shield but much later on. Pretty sure Grace would work with the Shadow side as there's like 10 nodes of evasion + energy %+.
Also, pretty sure Auras are *not* considered a buff.

Problem is though, getting sufficient agi for Grace is harder than str is for Templar(for Determination)
Not sure to be honest =)

By being ranged.

I just get as many ES passives as I can get and stack ES gear till I have enough to safely take CI. Right now I rarely take enough damage to remove all my ES but still not ready to go CI yet...soon though. I am level 58 and about an upgrade or two from where I feel comfortable doing it.
Don't know if the Poison Bombs from Alchemists in Act3 is Chaos damage but I assume it is since it destroys me right through my shield. By the time I hit late Act2 Merciless, I will definately run CI.

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FoolyCoolant wrote:

Looking at your build you would benfit most from going iron reflex's and grace, also I suggest getting Ghost Reaver and a life leech gem on your main dps skill. Also I would grab the inner force passive. I'll look at your build and change it a bit tell me what you think.

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I added inner force passive to increase effect of grace/discipline, took away cast speed and put it towards more mana and mana regen, wich you will need a lot of unless you're using a mana leech gem, and towards getting to iron reflex's. A fully leveled grace at this point should give you 2-3k armor alone.

I'd prefer Leech at this amount of cast speed.
But the problem I have is - don't you need loads of STR for Lifeleech Support Gem?
Pretty sure Auras are not considered buffs.
I'm not sure if Iron Reflexes is worth it that much, spending 13(!) points for just Iron Reflexes and dex I won't make any use of sounds like an inefficient investment.

Builds like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CHGLWhMunM work because they get the +50% Energy shield passive from Chaos Innoculation, and then stack a crap load of passive points into Energy Shields near the top, and a bunch of evasion. Essentially their energy shield negates the loss of life points entirely, and evasion makes up their armour - then Soul Reaver letting them leech into their energy shield is essentially just life leeching for CI.

With CI losing the +50% Energy shield, I have no idea how viable it'll be, since you'll need to try stretch out and get more energy shield passives to make up for it, but I imagine if you substitute in more evasion passives down near the ranger section - it could be viable, but I haven't seen it done in OB (Just really frequently in CB.)

I imagine Blood Rage, and using a lot of Double / Dual strikes for life leeching is going to be vital to keep that ES up now with SR.. I need to seriously rethink the build I was aiming for now.. The increase in Energy shield nodes is interesting though.. OH DECISIONS!

Having played a CI Shadow in CB in the last one week hardcore race making it to 62, I'd say it really isn't viable for HC until you have insane gear. Unfortunately there were a lot of broken builds with CI before OB, and it's been nerfed extensively for any early game play.

Unfortunately, this really only leaves going hybrid, investing in HP and ES nodes, saving respec points/orbs of regret, and then after you have collected some badass gear from maps you can look at aiming for CI. This is from a HC perspective though, if you're playing softcore, you can get away with a significantly less defensive build, albeit with a few deaths and grouping often.

This is open beta though, and I'm sure GGG will consider player feedback if it's well constructed.

I wouldn't use CI in HC, but in normal so far I have made CI viable. only level 27 too , I'll keep updates as it goes because this is being done as a test. Also this is without great ES gear.