Why Does Cleave Suck So Much?
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This is what I'm thinking:
2 identical setups, one running Dual Strike - Faster Attacks - Melee Physical - Multistrike - Melee Splash The other Cleave - Faster Attacks - Melee Physical - Multistrike - Conc Effect/AddedFire/BASICALLY ANYTHING Why is the DPS listed for Dual Strike always way higher than for Cleave? I understand that Cleave has a 70% multiplier, but if I'm using Cleave then I don't have Melee Splash which has its own multiplier. I would expect that the skills would be around even without the 5th gem on Cleave, but that Cleave would pull ahead with the addition of whatever the effects of that extra gem are. In practice, however, the DPS on the Cleave is like 2/3 or so the DPS of Dual Strike. To me this makes no logical sense. What am I missing here? ign: weaklygdlk "Charge chicken is dangerous, they are master of killing me." - fasknifer Last edited by ThirstyGhost#4000 on Dec 27, 2013, 9:00:18 AM
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Dunno... mana cost perhaps? Range? Elemental damage? There's probably a dozen more variables.
The only question that matters to me is "Does stuff die when I use it?" Last edited by Shagsbeard#3964 on Dec 27, 2013, 9:04:24 AM
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cleave is currently a broken skill,
for the longest time there was a bug /glitch or unintended mechanic in place that excluded elemental damage from things like auras from the negative damage multipliers which enabled ele cleave to do more than a physical cleave could do. physical cleave was always shit , small aoe , terrible damage multi , and then the second damage nerf if dual wielding. ggg fixed the unintended mechanic , so what we are left with is a garbage skill |
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cleave is not ment specific to 2x wielding, it has never being, and it got fixed to 70% because of it...
if i use flicker strike with 2 different weapons my damage is going to suck to if i dont have 2 godly weapons, dual wielding is alot less effective for some skills. btw you say the dps is WAY HIGHER, well mele splash does reduced damage to colateral targets, WAY LESS DMG. this ranting is senseless, it would be like me saying OMG artic breath sucks, my freezing pulse/incinerate/ethereal knives do ALOT more damage, this is a borken skills. Understand this, if the skill works for you and in this case you care about damage, then pick the damn skill that suits you best, don´t QQ on forums about the rest of the skills that are not as good to "your" particular build. go use dual strike then i don´t see why are you complaining. IGN: RFFP
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Ok, so I'm actually just an idiot. I was completely unaware of the additional damage reduction from dual wielding. Just went and looked at the gem when I read this response and had a bit of a facepalm moment.
I guess I theoretically understand the reasoning behind it; from a irl kind of perspective, Cleave would be something much more suited to large two handed weapons than smaller one handed ones. However, it is pretty annoying that it is such a huge damage reduction for dual wielding. It needed to be tweaked from the ele-cleave days, but I think it would be nice to have an alternative to using melee splash. I mean, actually, even if the damage was identical melee splash would still be a better choice in most cases since cleave has a conical aoe so there really isn't any need for the dps to be so much lower. ign: weaklygdlk
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" Sorry to double post, but I felt this warranted a response. I was not QQ'ing about anything. I was asking why the actual displayed DPS of Cleave was so much lower than Dual Strike+Melee Splash DPS when they both have all of the same multipliers associated. (and in fact, Cleave has extra increased damage than DS due to not wasting a gem on Melee Splash) The actual math in the situation didn't make sense to me and I was looking for clarification on how or why the tooltip DPS would be so different. I realized that I had missed the additional 60% multiplier for dual-wielding and thus my perfectly legitimate and sincere question was answered. ign: weaklygdlk "Charge chicken is dangerous, they are master of killing me." - fasknifer Last edited by ThirstyGhost#4000 on Dec 27, 2013, 9:29:58 AM
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