Iron Reflexes-- what's' the point?

If you are focusing on damage reduction rather than dodge or block it is by far the most powerful node on the tree.

Edit: I thought about it and I am just going to say it is the most powerful defensive node on the tree.

Aura build, zero armor nodes, using tabula rasa, 14k armor. thats the point

also IR is better with shield/dualwield block than evasion since you cannot dodge and block at the same time which affects ur overall dmg reduction

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ziggro wrote:

Aura build, zero armor nodes, using tabula rasa, 14k armor. thats the point

Yeah, my aura build has 2.2k armour with auras off and 20k with auras on. Determination and Grace is nuts with Iron Reflexes.

And I don't have a good amulet, nor rings nor lots of evasion nor armour on a lot of my body pieces.

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thormond wrote:

cuz evasion is totally worthless vs reflect and evasion chests roll higher value than armor chests

u can go like this chest + other eva gear pieces + iron reflexes + evasion/hp nodes on ranger + jade flask and u end up with 22k armor so u dont die to reflect even with physical crit build (speaking nemesis-like 20k-30k dps range)

I kinda get annoyed when people say evasion is useless vs reflect.

When your damage is reflected, it is the same damage type as is dealt.
This is significant as for example:

A ranger uses a bow to deal damage, however when reflect is calculated, he can actually EVADE his own reflect by stacking evasion. Dodge is also able to do this.

The only bow that can't do this is lioneye's glare due to the inherent nevermiss mod...

@up: and this is exactly why evasion is useless vs reflect, u can ONLY dodge ur reflect (when u roll ur own accu vs ur own eva the chance is low unless onar's) - it opens a huge window of opportunities when you can die to reflect

eg:
1) let's assume u have 95% chance to dodge ur reflect (dunno if its possible but shall we?)
2) now let's say you crit for 6k on multiple targets with ur attack and by chance you DIDN'T dodge it (in this case chance is low but still exists and this fact alone makes the difference)
3) RIP followed by rerolling iron relexes

u play scrubcore so i dont expect u how important it is to keep your character alive in every scenario

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u play scrubcore so i dont expect u how important it is to keep your character alive in every scenario

u use awful spelling and grammar so i dont expect u how important logic is.

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chafino wrote:

If you use iron reflexes you can use armor/armor-evasion/evasion gear. That is 3 kind of gear. If you dont get iron reflexes you only can use armor base gear.

not having Iron Reflexes makes u unable to wear evasion based items o_0?
IR used to be good earlier but now I wouldn't really bother getting it.

The aura + node combination

grace + Iron reflexes is extremely powerful

2016 armor at level 20 is basically 1-4(depending on how much armor u can get on chest) chest pieces

my summoner uses all the buff nodes on the top side

so 1.94 * 2016 = 3911.04armor or the equivalent of 2-8 chest pieces.

combine this with determination and a granite and you literally do not need any armor on your gear.

Hi

At first I loved IR back in CB but once they added the minus to dex evasion and didn't bother to really rectify it's usage for non dex oriented classes, it became quite redundant to dex oriented characters.

Recently I was lucky to acquire a Abyssus unique helmet for my facebreaker build and have realized IR is best used with this item and immortal call. Get Grace which will add 1k+ armour and all the other armour % passives one would get along the way increase the points from grace.

This is the only use I can come up with for IR now. I still think it should be removed for a more interesting keystone.

cheers