Ghost Reaver, Acrobatics, Eldritch Battery Question.

Acrobatics + Eldritch Battery

This causes ES to be removed before EB can be applied, making you gain 0 benefit from ES.

How does EB + Ghost Reaver/Aurora Aegis unique work together.

Since energy shield is converted to mana does life leech go towards the ES part of your mana pool or is it just wasted points?
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Ghost Reaver converts Life Leech to ES Leech. If you have zero ES, you're just shooting yourself in the foot by removing all your Life Leech :P
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Vipermagi wrote:
Ghost Reaver converts Life Leech to ES Leech. If you have zero ES, you're just shooting yourself in the foot by removing all your Life Leech :P


Like you said though it's converted and not removed, which is why I was wondering :P
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EB + Ghost Reaver should convert your life steal to mana steal.. would make sense
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Extarc wrote:
EB + Ghost Reaver should convert your life steal to mana steal.. would make sense

No, it wouldn't. At the moment of leeching, you have zero ES. You don't have ES-converted-to-Mana, you just don't have any ES. Ergo, ES Leech will do nothing for you.
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Vipermagi wrote:
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Extarc wrote:
EB + Ghost Reaver should convert your life steal to mana steal.. would make sense

No, it wouldn't. At the moment of leeching, you have zero ES. You don't have ES-converted-to-Mana, you just don't have any ES. Ergo, ES Leech will do nothing for you.


Though it isn't mechanically supported at the moment, I could see it being somewhat balanced, even scarcely used, simply due to the fact that (ES)HP+Liquidity of hp is the only viable defense in poe.
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Extarc wrote:
EB + Ghost Reaver should convert your life steal to mana steal.. would make sense


I'd like to see it work this way but at the same time the default stance on these abilities is usually "no, they don't stack" for good reason.
Id like to see acrobatics and eldritch battery synergize. I know they dont atm for mechanics reasons, but theres no reason that couldnt change- the synergy wouldnt be broken or op at all, but it might enable some interesting new builds, as well as make an additional niche for es/evade hybrid gear.
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EpsiIon wrote:
Though it isn't mechanically supported at the moment, I could see it being somewhat balanced, even scarcely used, simply due to the fact that (ES)HP+Liquidity of hp is the only viable defense in poe.

I understand EB already is sort of an "infinite mana" keystone, but allowing life leech to apply as mana leech would probably just make the situation worse. Combined with things like Warlord's Mark, you could get 20% or so mana leech if you geared for it, completely defeating the mana system and allowing you to spam anything you could imagine limitlessly. I don't know if that would be gamebreaking (the inability to leech life in any form is definitely a drawback, and in PvP there's even a notable to completely counter the effect), but it's definitely a "tread with caution" area, since it deals with infinite combos of a sort.

By the way, the "HP+Liquidity of HP" thing is quickly becoming a cliche, and utterly besides the point — EB is an offensive keystone (extra mana = extra spamming = extra offense), and EB builds always have to rely on a good-sized red bulb for survivability.
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ScrotieMcB wrote:
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EpsiIon wrote:
Though it isn't mechanically supported at the moment, I could see it being somewhat balanced, even scarcely used, simply due to the fact that (ES)HP+Liquidity of hp is the only viable defense in poe.

I understand EB already is sort of an "infinite mana" keystone, but allowing life leech to apply as mana leech would probably just make the situation worse. Combined with things like Warlord's Mark, you could get 20% or so mana leech if you geared for it, completely defeating the mana system and allowing you to spam anything you could imagine limitlessly. I don't know if that would be gamebreaking (the inability to leech life in any form is definitely a drawback, and in PvP there's even a notable to completely counter the effect), but it's definitely a "tread with caution" area, since it deals with infinite combos of a sort.

By the way, the "HP+Liquidity of HP" thing is quickly becoming a cliche, and utterly besides the point — EB is an offensive keystone (extra mana = extra spamming = extra offense), and EB builds always have to rely on a good-sized red bulb for survivability.


Point
Head

EB is not "Unlimited mana"

EB is trading defense for mana. As for mana leech, the mana leech gem at 2% with EB and a respectable DPS (As dps normally scales in a relative accordance to mana cost) is well more then enough to cover the cost.

EB builds are inherently flawed in some/most cases, simply because the area it is located in is the singular worst in accordance with HP. While I can and do make it work, ghost reaver leeching mana for hp would be balanced, and likely never used, simply due to the fact of how this game works. While you may underplay it, absolutely no EB user will ever underplay leeches effect, you say it's cliche, but it is very true. Without Leech, as an EB user, you are effectively crippled beyond any comprehension.

20% Mana leech is laughable, as no one needs that.

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