Two Suggestions: Ice Queen node and Intelligence-to-Damage node

Basically, I'd love to have the a keystone node for an Avatar of Fire-esque elemental damage for the otehr two elements, Ice and Lightning. Obviously with the title, if I had to pick one I'd choose the Ice node, but it'd be nice to have the option.

The other idea is a keystone node for the witch, adding a intelligence-to-damage conversion when using weapons like rapiers. Possibly losing the mana-buff? Or some sort of negative. The idea would be that as you get smarter, you learn more about the anatomy of creatures and people, and can attack their weak points on purpose. Dunno what I'd call it, "Anatomist"? "Surgical Precision"? The other option is to increase crit-chance massively and lower your normal damage output to compensate, also decided by your intelligence.'

TL;DR Ice and Lightning "Avatars of" keystone, and a melee-damage/crit-chance keystone that takes intelligence.

Ice and Lightning avatars are impossible, due to infinite loop; you can't have "Converts 50% of Cold damage to Fire" and "Converts 50% of Fire damage to Cold" simultaneously. Physical converts to anything, Cold/Lightning converts to Fire or Chaos but not Physical, Fire converts to Chaos but not to anything else, Chaos cannot convert to anything (notice it's left out of Avatar of Fire). Not necessarily the way I would have done it, but the precedents are established. The only precident that isn't established is Cold to/from Lightning.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

Ice Queen is impossible, due to infinite loop; you can't have "Converts 50% of Cold damage to Fire" and "Converts 50% of Fire damage to Cold" simultaneously. Physical converts to anything, Cold/Lightning converts to Fire or Chaos but not Physical, Fire converts to Chaos but not to anything else, Chaos cannot convert to anything. Not necessarily the way I would have done it, but the precedents are established. The only precident that isn't established is Cold to/from Lightning.

If they do add such keystones, it would have to override all other conversions to prevent such a loop. I'm in favor of adding the other two Avatar keystones, but it would have to override anything else.

They added "does not work if you have Chaos Innoculation" to unique items.

Wouldn't be impossible to add "Does not work if you have Avatar of Ice or Lightning".

And scrotie, it's not an infinite loop.

You have a base damage type (or types).

The conversions are applied additively, or rather, side by side.

So if you have Cold to Fire and Fire to Cold, what happens is that it converts the original COld damage to fire, and the original Fire damage to Cold.
It does not convert the already converted damage.

If for some reason that is not the way it works - it should be.

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Nurvus wrote:

The conversions are applied additively, or rather, side by side.

That's not true. For example, if you have hrimsorrow and cold-fire, you'll convert some phys to cold, then some of that cold to fire.

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Nurvus wrote:

So if you have Cold to Fire and Fire to Cold, what happens is that it converts the original COld damage to fire, and the original Fire damage to Cold.
It does not convert the already converted damage.

If for some reason that is not the way it works - it should be.

That isn't the way it works, nor should it be.

Bump re: The intelligence part~

I didn't know all that about the different cross-talk between element types.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

Ice and Lightning avatars are impossible, due to infinite loop; you can't have "Converts 50% of Cold damage to Fire" and "Converts 50% of Fire damage to Cold" simultaneously. Physical converts to anything, Cold/Lightning converts to Fire or Chaos but not Physical, Fire converts to Chaos but not to anything else, Chaos cannot convert to anything (notice it's left out of Avatar of Fire). Not necessarily the way I would have done it, but the precedents are established. The only precident that isn't established is Cold to/from Lightning.

Seems to me it would work just fine, assuming both preclude any other type of damage. Grabbing "ice queen" and "avatar of fire", therefore, would mean you do 0 damage.