Multi-Client Farming - Clearing the Air and What 1.0 does to alleviate it's "advantages"

There is a lot of ignorance and misconceptions on the matter of the exact "advantages" that are actually accomplished by multi-client farming so I'm going to inform everyone. After this post is made I will not respond to it or trolling due to the fact that this is for information purposes only and not to start an argument on the internet that neither side can win.

Less than 1% of the population multi-client farms and even 90% of those players do it in hardcore settings to farm alterations, farming piety or the new boss dominus is not possible unless on softcore and the time it takes to do that for most people and their characters makes it inefficient.

Multi-Client =/= Multi-Boxing
Multi-client: Moving clients individually (Example going through a TP one at a time opposed to all 6 at once)
Multi-Boxing: Moving all clients in sync (Example going through a TP at the same time or all casting the same ability via a key/mouse press)

Multi-Boxing is bannable!
It has been for a while. Things like ISBoxer and PWNBoxer are flagged as programs that will alert the devs. You can also be reported for suspicious activity and an investigation into your accounts will be launched. If found guilty of using 3rd party programs then you'll get banned.

If you think someone is botting or using 3rd party programs to control characters simultaneously then report them and let GGG do their job.

Multi-client farmers cannot do all content in the game like this
They are forced to run bosses, and it is very very inefficient to run any bosses outside of normal/cruel merveil due to the DPS requirements

Why can't you do piety? What if you had 6 totem characters?!
-Piety 1 shots your totems with her lightning orb even with passives and stuff... so not going to work
-Piety has close to 2 million HP so you need to have a character that can efficiently kill her otherwise you're looking at close to 6 min runs or longer

Don't get me wrong she is still "doable" but it takes a lot of setup, thought and understanding of game mechanics to do so.

They cannot do maps, they cannot do docks farming, they cannot do anything of real meaning unless they have an incredible amount of currency and time invested into it. At which point they have to make ALL OF THEIR INVESTMENT BACK before they can even be considered "in the green"

Example of investment it takes to kill piety effectively:
Character 1 investment/value: 50 exalts
Character 2 investment: 25 exalts (max MF culler)
Character 3 investment: 22 exalts
Character 4 investment: 28 exalts
Character 5 investment: 21 exalts
Character 6 investment: 18 exalts

Total currency investment: 164 exalts.
Total time spent leveling: 168 hours

Assuming you farm .5 exalts per hour you need to farm for 328 hours before you actually come out ahead. There iss NO ADVANTAGE HERE. Even if you manage one exalt per hour because of amazing RNG you'll still require 164 hours to get back your investment of currency and that doesn't include the time it took to level the characters.

But if they are one of the FEW that can farm piety they get a chance at amazing rares!
Since <1% of the multi-client farmers can do that boss efficient I'll tell you exact numbers for her. (<1% of <1% is a very low number)

Doing 2,000 piety runs i can tell you this much. Having a friend ID items for me more than half the time we got ABSOLUTELY NOTHING of any value other than the alterations they vendor for. Over 40,000 items were identified and we got nothing of value... nothing. Not a single vaal regalia with 500+ es, not a single weapon with 250+ dps... NOTHING. So go ahead and think that you gain any real advantage other than the chance at farming decent uniques from her. (Which was close to 1 item worth >1 exalt per 8 hours farming)

Theres a chance... but it is so minuscule that it simply doesn't matter. This also should make you appreciate when you get that nice rare solo... because even with these "advantages" I've found none.

But those bastards farm alterations from merveil too efficiently!
Do we? Really?

If you have a character with enough IIR/IIQ to make for example normal merv drop enough rares to fill an inventory (which is easy to do), congrats you farm as efficiently as a multi-client farmer!

There is this thing called time efficiency and with how unique items drop in the game their chances of finding something worth while off of this boss are pretty slim. Meaning the majority of the income comes from things that vendor for alterations when ID'd.

This means the amount of alterations made has to exceed the value of the scrolls used to ID them. Normally you get 4x the value of a scroll per ID so it's a non issue but you still do not farm efficient enough.

Assuming you can farm merv in 1 min per run you can make about 3-4 alterations per run. It takes 20-25 seconds to pick up items, go to town, ID and vendor... per character. So if you consider the IIQ you take nearly the EXACT same amount of time to do extra runs vs IDing on multiple characters or multiple times on the same character before doing your next run.

So is there really an advantage? Really? They have more chances at uniques which have a very rare chance of being worth while? Due to the tier system they have the same chance from merv of getting a decent item as they do merc piety... but that chance is pretty slim overall and the items in those tiers that they can find aren't worth all that much to begin with in comparison (Dream fragments being the ONLY difference).


1.0 vs multi-clienting
There is going to be RARITY given to party, with less quantity (numbers not known obviously) so it will give multi-clienting a soft cap lower on magic find than a solo farmer but the amount of extra items they get will be negligible. So they get some rarity (oh yay!) and a little quantity (only saving grace) for needing to take up to 6x as long to kill a boss! Sounds amazing!

Not to mention the base rate at which they drop rares/uniques are being doubled which actually influences the solo players a hell of a lot more than multi-client farmers.

Maps will rule the world
Maps are also going to have increased chances to drop higher tier unique items opposed to boss farming so solo mappers will actually have a larger base income than multi-client farmers. Efficient mappers can clear a map in 3-5 mins solo, with the changes to Item Rarity and Item quantity being removed from items it will not be hard to efficiently farm maps with magic find gear.

Multi-client farmers cannot do maps... multi-boxers can but that is bannable as said before.

Time efficiency matters most
If you build your character able to farm high end content, you'll make more. The rich get richer... thats how it works in every ARPG ever.

Multi-clienting does not allow you to be any more efficient at farming in the upcoming patch. At least not enough to make any more of a difference than it does now... which is nearly none.

But they multi-client to sell the currency to RMT sites!
Yeah... because they'd make millions doing that -facepalm-


TLDR; Stop complaining, it's not amazingly efficient and if you are any decent at this game you can out-farm any crappy multi-client farmers sitting at merveil all day every day



Like i said, this is for information and nothing more. If you still hate on multi-client farmers for adding near no efficiency then by all means keep your hater hats on and keep on truckin.

My last and only post on this subject on these forums. <3

If it offers so little, why do you do it and why don't you want it banned?

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reboticon wrote:

If it offers so little, why do you do it and why don't you want it banned?

I did it because i wanted to test how "profitable" it was. And in the end it isn't worth doing, you're better off just having fun with friends mapping which is the plan for the upcoming league. Since it will be more efficient anyway. Once i made my investment back i stopped.

Also "because i can" and to see what it would take to actually make it doable. The challenge of perfecting something so few people would "waste their time" with.

If there is no real added efficiency and it costs so much do to it properly why SHOULD it be disallowed? If people want to waste their time let them. Because the truth is... it isn't worth it. Don't disallow something just because people are ignorant to facts.

EDIT: deleted, noticed you can get banned for promoting multi-boxing

If i farmed 0.5 exalts every hour, i would be a millionaire....

YOu just made a gigantic thread about why its not worth it. So I ask you, why do you do it then and why are you sticking up for these people? Its obvious from your thread that multiboxing is the way to go, are you sure you and others dont do that?? Huh? lol ...

Character 1 investment/value: 50 exalts
Character 2 investment: 25 exalts (max MF culler)
Character 3 investment: 22 exalts
Character 4 investment: 28 exalts
Character 5 investment: 21 exalts
Character 6 investment: 18 exalts


this is some BULLSHIT

you can run piety on ANY crit build and not caring about reflect.
char 2 max mf, 5 ex max
3 through 6, NOTHING hide them in a specific spot or tp them out and back in with grace period.

You are one hell of a #@#@#@

First you admit to using third party programs and told others it was allowed, then you started to say it wasn't, now you make this thread. sigh.

I don't understand the purpose of this thread. But sinc we are creating walls of random txt

On whether it is better to be loved or feared by the people.

Certainly there are advantages to both. And ideally a prince should have seek both. In trying times fear is a better chain of loyalty than love. While love can easily be discarded by the fickle masses, fear will hold its grip despite the fickleness of the people. It should be noted that a prince should not be cruel to the people, for hatred is a strong motivator of revolution. Care should be taken to maintain the respect of the people, but at the same time the people should know well that dissent is not tolerated.

Next week: on the religion and customs of a new prince.

read the whole OP and thread and came to this conclusion:

you ain't breaking the ToU... I just don't care what you do!

that's all folks :P

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CrimsonMidget wrote:

Character 1 investment/value: 50 exalts
Character 2 investment: 25 exalts (max MF culler)
Character 3 investment: 22 exalts
Character 4 investment: 28 exalts
Character 5 investment: 21 exalts
Character 6 investment: 18 exalts


this is some BULLSHIT

you can run piety on ANY crit build and not caring about reflect.
char 2 max mf, 5 ex max
3 through 6, NOTHING hide them in a specific spot or tp them out and back in with grace period.

You are one hell of a #@#@#@

First you admit to using third party programs and told others it was allowed, then you started to say it wasn't, now you make this thread. sigh.

i admit to using 3rd party programs? link that thread please.

i have told no one ever that it is allowed, i even have posts on dual-boxing + ISBOXER saying you'll get banned for it. so you are mistaking me for someone else.