Reduced Mana Reserved

There are only four passives that that reduce reserved mana. Most mana reserving auras consume 40% of your mana. If -5% reserved stacks additively and you get all 4 passives, a 40% aura costs 32% of your maximum mana.

I think these passive nodes are kind of weak. Wouldn't it just be easier to increase your maximum mana by 16% than to go out of your way to reduce mana reservation? It'd be easier to get +32% of your maximum mana than it is to get -20% reservation cost.

I was thinking of doing an aura-heavy support character, but even if I factor in the reduced mana cost support gem, running more than two major auras seems unlikely/impossible.

Would GGG consider some kind of an aura keystone? I don't mind if there's some downside attached to it to make me play in a less "passive" manner. But in a best case scenario, with the bloodmagic support gem and -mana reservation passives, and -mana cost support gems, I think I'd be lucky to run more than 4 auras at once - and running more than 2 would be a serious nightmare to make happen (reserving 80-90% of my health and mana would require that I have a substantial energy shield to back me up, and since there's so much chaos damage in POE, this idea seems unlikely).

Any thoughts? I fee like -40% to reservation costs would be balanced, it would still mean a good aura would consume a hefty amount of mana. If an aura keystone isn't feasible, how about sprinkling a few more -mana reserved passives about?

It should at least be possible to run at least 3 percentage based auras on just your mana pool, I feel. The auras that reserve % mana are good, but not THAT good. Compare Haste with Faster Attacks, for instance. Faster Attacks is an extremely powerful support gem. Sure, it only effects your player, but I'm just saying. Auras aren't that good compared to other available things, even if you "spec" in auras.

I'm running 7 (almost 8!) auras right now without using a blood magic support gem on my dedicated support character.
The aura reservation cost reduction nodes are integral to stacking multiple percentage auras, as is the Reduced Mana Cost support gem.

Could you list your auras? <3

The 5 flat cost auras (Grace, Anger, Wrath, Discipline, and Clarity), and Purity (40%) and Hatred (30%).
Pretty soon after I get some more levels on my reduced mana cost supports I'll be able to throw Haste (40%) in there as well, and I could be running either Vitality or Determination via Blood Magic at any time (just don't want to die to random chaos damage).


(And yes, this is with Eldritch Battery. There's no way to run that many auras otherwise.)

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anubite wrote:

Wouldn't it just be easier to increase your maximum mana by 16% than to go out of your way to reduce mana reservation? It'd be easier to get +32% of your maximum mana than it is to get -20% reservation cost.

Math does not work that way.

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Math does not work that way.

0.8*40 = 32
Reserving 32% of your maximum mana, if your maximum mana is 100, leaves you with 68. Reserving a second 32% aura leaves you with 36. You have 16% more of your maximum mana than otherwise, which is enough to use a third and final 32% aura.

Thus, 4% of your maximum mana must be enough to:

cast the flat mana auras
cast any othre spells you may wish to wield in combat

Instead of telling me I'm wrong, point out how I'm wrong, please.

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(And yes, this is with Eldritch Battery. There's no way to run that many auras otherwise.)

Nice job making your build work. I'm surprised. So you're going to have Eldritch and all four -mana reserved passives? Or just two? How difficult is it, build wise, to get all that?

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anubite wrote:

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Math does not work that way.

0.8*40 = 32
Reserving 32% of your maximum mana, if your maximum mana is 100, leaves you with 68. Reserving a second 32% aura leaves you with 36. You have 16% more of your maximum mana than otherwise, which is enough to use a third and final 32% aura.

Thus, 4% of your maximum mana must be enough to:

cast the flat mana auras
cast any othre spells you may wish to wield in combat

Instead of telling me I'm wrong, point out how I'm wrong, please.

With two 40% auras you have this much max mana:

100% * (1 - 0.64) = 36% (With reservation passives)
100% * (1 - 0.8) = 20% (Without)

With an extra +16%, you have:

36% * 1.16 = 41.76% (With reservation passives)
20% * 1.16 = 23.2% (Without)

+16% max mana doesn't come anywhere near equaling mana reservation reduction.

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anubite wrote:

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Math does not work that way.

0.8*40 = 32
Reserving 32% of your maximum mana, if your maximum mana is 100, leaves you with 68. Reserving a second 32% aura leaves you with 36. You have 16% more of your maximum mana than otherwise, which is enough to use a third and final 32% aura.

Thus, 4% of your maximum mana must be enough to:

cast the flat mana auras
cast any othre spells you may wish to wield in combat

Instead of telling me I'm wrong, point out how I'm wrong, please.

I think what he was trying to say is with more max mana you cannot have 2 40% auras and 1 30% aura as that is 110%, but with reduced mana reservation you possibly could.

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Torin wrote:

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anubite wrote:

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Math does not work that way.

0.8*40 = 32
Reserving 32% of your maximum mana, if your maximum mana is 100, leaves you with 68. Reserving a second 32% aura leaves you with 36. You have 16% more of your maximum mana than otherwise, which is enough to use a third and final 32% aura.

Thus, 4% of your maximum mana must be enough to:

cast the flat mana auras
cast any othre spells you may wish to wield in combat

Instead of telling me I'm wrong, point out how I'm wrong, please.

I think what he was trying to say is with more max mana you cannot have 2 40% auras and 1 30% aura as that is 110%, but with reduced mana reservation you possibly could.

That too. Getting percentage max mana increases isn't going to magically bypass the reservation percentage. Reservation is a percentage of your MAX mana, not your BASE mana.