The method bots use to farm

The real problem in multiboxing detection is determining whether it's a single individual with multiple clients, or a bunch of roommates with a mutual interest in PoE having the Internet version of a LAN party, or an arrangement in a college dorm where everyone in the building is coming off of the same router that's locked in some closet. Note that, in one of these cases, everything is genuinely legit, but all the characters are likely to be in the same zone and attacking the same things.

There still might be ways to do it, but it's an arms race. GGG tries to detect exact cloning from ISBoxer? ISBoxer uses offsets. GGG tries to detect offsets, assuming the offset will be the same each time? ISBoxer adds some minor randomization.

However, I think at the end of the day -- and at significant developer expense -- GGG could make a pretty solid multiboxing detector. Multiboxers are only going to accept so much deviation, so a human being looking at a replay video should be able to detect multiboxing fairly easily; this means an automated detector could work too. The question is: how many development-intense additions can GGG add to the game, not just for this issue but several others as well, before going bankrupt?

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CharanJaydemyr wrote:

It was derailing because the OP's point had nothing to do with multiboxing as a practice (automated or otherwise) and everything to do with the ease of automation at lower levels.

Inevitably the thread did become about multiboxing (as usual) but it IS off topic. The topic was (and may yet be) a discussion of the early game areas and their ease of navigation compared to later ones. It's a valid point and, as I said, really has nothing to do with anything but precisely what the OP stated. Ventiman came in with their little soap-box rant and...I'm embarrassed to say, so many of you fell for it.

At any rate, my statement stands. It's a good idea, OP, but I'm fairly sure the botters/RMT farmers would find ways around it, all puns intended.

Have a nice thread.

Really?

As for those who consider me a troll: yeah, okay. I knew we had broad definitions for the term these days, but if they include me, it's little wonder folks think the forum's gone to hell. I never post merely to antagonise someone with no other intention. There is always a point and that point always represents my genuine opinion. In my experience, that's the opposite of a troll, but like I said, maybe the definition has gotten a lot wider since last I checked.

get used to it not everyone is kissing your ass or ggg no amount of money you donate will change that time to put your pink glasses away

and its a fact that every thread with multibox topic has never a yellow response or clear guidelines what will happen to is boxer user instead ggg waits till it vanishes in the deeps of the forum till another thread appears and the circle starts again

to me is boxer software is the same like using a bot in terms of service (3rd party is 3rd party) no ruler of wreaeclest will change that

and smartypants if you can antagonize so easy with just one topic there must be something wrong with it hmm ? THE COMMUNITY HATES MULTIBOXING and it is still allowed

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ventiman wrote:

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CharanJaydemyr wrote:

It was derailing because the OP's point had nothing to do with multiboxing as a practice (automated or otherwise) and everything to do with the ease of automation at lower levels.

Inevitably the thread did become about multiboxing (as usual) but it IS off topic. The topic was (and may yet be) a discussion of the early game areas and their ease of navigation compared to later ones. It's a valid point and, as I said, really has nothing to do with anything but precisely what the OP stated. Ventiman came in with their little soap-box rant and...I'm embarrassed to say, so many of you fell for it.

At any rate, my statement stands. It's a good idea, OP, but I'm fairly sure the botters/RMT farmers would find ways around it, all puns intended.

Have a nice thread.

Really?

As for those who consider me a troll: yeah, okay. I knew we had broad definitions for the term these days, but if they include me, it's little wonder folks think the forum's gone to hell. I never post merely to antagonise someone with no other intention. There is always a point and that point always represents my genuine opinion. In my experience, that's the opposite of a troll, but like I said, maybe the definition has gotten a lot wider since last I checked.

get used to it not everyone is kissing your ass or ggg no amount of money you donate will change that time to put your pink glasses away

and its a fact that every thread with multibox topic has never a yellow response or clear guidelines what will happen to is boxer user instead ggg waits till it vanishes in the deeps of the forum till another thread appears and the circle starts again

to me is boxer software is the same like using a bot in terms of service (3rd party is 3rd party) no ruler of wreaeclest will change that

and smartypants if you can antagonize so easy with just one topic there must be something wrong with it hmm ? THE COMMUNITY HATES MULTIBOXING and it is still allowed

Ok now venti is rantworthy. lol

Just watched a 6 toon multibox bot run Fellshrine. No wonder legit players can't compete with that wealth.

I have noticed that the early areas getting a lot more interesting to navigate. Hadn't realised it was an attempt to counter botters.

So, botters have had at least one positive effect on the game? Who'd a thunk it.

Honestly, if I were using a bot, I'd rather use 6 bots that farm separate instances. You get more drop this way. Multiboxing is good with active players. Very few people can run 5-6 clients at one and multibox. You cannot run high level maps like that. It's easier to get a char that uses killing blow on map bosses. This can be done by anyone. Perhaps that's why GGG does not see it as a threat worth putting resources in to fight with.

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ToxicRatt wrote:

Just watched a 6 toon multibox bot run Fellshrine. No wonder legit players can't compete with that wealth.

Fellshrine, dark forrest and the early zones are pretty standard for bots. The good ones could make about 100 worth of chaos/day with a multibox stack, on a pretty standard pc. (not sure what they are up to now, this was about 2 months ago)

If multi-boxing using a third party program is considered acceptable by GGG, do they have any official recommendations on which software is preferable for POE?

I would like to know from a Dev what the official stance is on using programs like ISBoxer. It seems to me that most multiboxers believe that using ISBoxer is actually condoned by GGG and is in no way against the TOS.

If we could have an official statement from the Devs stating whether multi-boxing with third party software like ISBoxer is acceptable/sanctioned/condoned or not, we would have less threads regarding this, and overall less confusion about the subject.

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Savitr wrote:

If multi-boxing using a third party program is considered acceptable by GGG, do they have any official recommendations on which software is preferable for POE?

I would like to know from a Dev what the official stance is on using programs like ISBoxer. It seems to me that most multiboxers believe that using ISBoxer is actually condoned by GGG and is in no way against the TOS.

If we could have an official statement from the Devs stating whether multi-boxing with third party software like ISBoxer is acceptable/sanctioned/condoned or not, we would have less threads regarding this, and overall less confusion about the subject.

Why would Bots use third party programs like ISBoxer when POE also has a legit multi boxing option.

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And all 6 characters are controlled in an intended way by the means of separate keystrokes on an individual basis ?

Hats off to you sir,I could maybe play three simultaneously at a stretch and that would take some serious thought on build compatibility and effeciency.D2 was easy to do three simultaneously partied up and playing from three separate computers/keyboards,but not POE.

Although I will admit to considering summoners,totem casters and a aura/buff build for shits and giggles.

Back to immediate subject:

The bots I'm aware of for POE are getting better,slower than most games that I've played recently,but are improving.

Someone else mentioned about the cluttered landscape being a pain in the ass and as a leap Slam/Shield charge duelist I couldn't agree more.But GGG got to do what they got to do.

I dunno man, I think moving 5 characters into a tp, killing a boss, then tping them out takes minimal effort.