Why is religion bashing okay with this community?

why are christians, jews, muslims, etc, free game for you guys to make fun of?


and this isn't a bad apple problem. there was a user clearly trolling about christians in global and i told him to cut it out. everyone else in global jumps on his side, some people even blatantly say things anti-christian.


can you guys please stop the toxic attitudes? GGG didn't make this game unfriendly for multiplayer, the players did. if you don't like something, stop dwelling on it. you're stressing yourself out and it's for no reason at all. you're welcome to an opinion, but please keep it to yourself instead of cramming it down other people's throats. you're not even trying to persuade them to come to your team with the aggressive attitude anyway.


i hope something constructive comes from this topic, sigh. here goes.


edit: i'm not even christian, or religious at all. i just know right from wrong, and making fun of someone because they think differently than you is terrible.

Sorry about this. Reporting problem players usually helps, but sometimes it is hard for us to get a full view of what is going on. Feel free to email support@grindinggear.com with your concerns or pm me in game (RoryC_GGG) and you can give us a more detailed report of what is happening.

Rest assured we are not okay with people being made fun of because of their religion, and actively mute players spouting hate speech in chat.

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RoryC_GGG wrote:

Sorry about this. Reporting problem players usually helps, but sometimes it is hard for us to get a full view of what is going on. Feel free to email support@grindinggear.com with your concerns or pm me in game (RoryC_GGG) and you can give us a more detailed report of what is happening.

Rest assured we are not okay with people being made fun of because of their religion, and actively mute players spouting hate speech in chat.

i know you guys are on top of it whenever you can be, but some users use very roundabout speech and passive phrasing to get around directly attacking someone, but they're still actively putting people down for their religious beliefs.

I should imagine declaring one's religious beliefs has very little to do with POE, so isn't really a great idea to be discussing in the first place.

I was at lunch with a subordinate the other day, where he declared religious people stupid. I had to take him aside and explain that when at lunch with 8 or so of ones peers, ridiculing a random subset of them would be a poor career move. He's an atheist. So am I.

Any kind of religious discussion or contempt thereof is about as appropriate on these forums as it is in the work place.

I think this type of game attracts certain kinds of people. Path of Exile is more 'involved' than a typical game, what with the fair amount of complexity to builds and items. For that reason I think the type of person attracted to this game tends to be more intelligent. Since there is a positive correlation between intelligence and atheism you get more atheists. With more atheists you get more people who have animosity towards religion. When you have a larger group of people sharing the same feelings they urge each other to continue doing whatever it is they were doing.

Isn't this game run on one server which is open to North America, Europe, and New Zealand / Australia? I think in Europe people tend to be apatheistic (and atheistic). So there is a proportionally larger number of people who simply aren't offended by that than there is in America--if you're from America and that's what you're used to.

I think it should be acceptable to publicly ridicule religion and religious people, but for the time being it's bad for business, I suppose, so it isn't tolerated.

...but I'm not the only one...

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Cosmusik wrote:

Since there is a positive correlation between intelligence and atheism you get more atheists.

Pretty sure this is exactly the type of thing Adultery was complaining about in the first place.

What evidence tells us is that there is a negative correlation between intelligence and religiosity, which is not the same thing as belief in god, but instead "a comprehensive sociological term used to refer to the numerous aspects of religious activity, dedication, and belief." (Wikipedia) Take the term in the proper context, and the urge to patrol forums or chat rooms to denounce religion is religiosity for atheists -- and thus, statistically speaking, there is a negative correlation between that sort of behavior and intelligence.

That's the POE community baby !

Can go way beyond toxic if allowed.

Mods with second accounts so they can ...be themselves

Sad thing is I've also become a trollistic toxic shitturd since reading and posting in these forums.

God how I miss closed beta

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

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Cosmusik wrote:

Since there is a positive correlation between intelligence and atheism you get more atheists.

Pretty sure this is exactly the type of thing Adultery was complaining about in the first place.

What evidence tells us is that there is a negative correlation between intelligence and religiosity, which is not the same thing as belief in god, but instead "a comprehensive sociological term used to refer to the numerous aspects of religious activity, dedication, and belief." (Wikipedia) Take the term in the proper context, and the urge to patrol forums or chat rooms to denounce religion is religiosity for atheists -- and thus, statistically speaking, there is a negative correlation between that sort of behavior and intelligence.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-human-beast/201005/the-real-reason-atheists-have-higher-iqs
I think this is a satisfying and succinct explanation.


You are right it can be important to make the distinction of what religiosity is. I think you're wrong to say "the urge to patrol..." is religiosity for atheists, because by your apparently grammatically strict definition of religiosity is "religious activity, dedication, and belief". That does not mean 'activity, dedication, and belief' because you would be right, it is activity and dedication, but that extends to, well, anything which we esteem as constructive or beneficial. It does, however, mean religious activity, religious dedication, and religious belief. I don't think more than a scant number of atheists are religious in their atheistic conduct.

You'd also be wrong to imply that I "patrol" anywhere with the intent to denounce religion. Some people do, and perhaps there is a correlation between that behavior and lower intelligence, at least within the atheist population. I think it's typically seen as a waste of time (and I think its worthwhileness varies by venue). But waste of time is a relative term, perhaps it's helping to ultimately achieve some goal.

Every video game forum in the internet is full of militant atheists,the religious bashing is more than common in the internet,close the global chat,it is much better than to hear the most obnouxious people out there claiming their superiority and putting everyone down.

Don't you think the title and the placement of this thread is a little unfair? I know for a fact mods go after this type of stuff (the jewelers incident from CB and I revived it in private to get yelled at by charan the other day).

This isn't a POE or gamer problem, it comes when there's no responsibility for one's actions. People know they can literally say anything they want and it won't effect them beyond their computer monitor. If they get banned so what, make a new account or start playing a different game.

I think it's unfair to think GGG condones or ignores hate speech and the idea of this being game feedback is confusing to me.

It won't go away, GGG clearly doesn't support it and it's not a game feature. Report people to mods/support, they'll probably get in trouble unless you are too sensitive (a normal discussion someone interprets as hate speech) and move on. If global gets really bad find a mod (there's a reason many of us long timers have a few mods as friends) and mute global for a bit.