Effectivness of claws instead of dagger for DW build

Hey
I'm using DW daggers at the moment, and I was wondering if claws were a viable option.
I mean, claws seem to have much less scaling than daggers to me, because crit is what seems actually useful as a physical melee in end game.

But when I see bloodseeker and Essentia sanguis claws, I'm wondering if it can actually be efficient, and what is the gap efficiency between daggers and claws for physical melee dual dps ?

Has anyone tried with success DW claws build in end game ? Some feedback about it would be nice.

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anyone using DW claws in end game maps ?

Basic claw vs dagger difference looks like this.
Claw: It will take as long time as needed until you all are dead.
Dagger: I kill you faster than you kill me.
Claw crit build is half as efficient as dagger crit. But claws have crapload of leech and that makes a good dual wiled tank if you will take Vaal Pact and lots of es nodes.

So if you prefer tank char - go claws and lots of es nodes. If you prefer dps - go dagger + lots of dps nodes.

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Xavyer wrote:

Basic claw vs dagger difference looks like this.
Claw: It will take as long time as needed until you all are dead.
Dagger: I kill you faster than you kill me.
Claw crit build is half as efficient as dagger crit. But claws have crapload of leech and that makes a good dual wiled tank if you will take Vaal Pact and lots of es nodes.

So if you prefer tank char - go claws and lots of es nodes. If you prefer dps - go dagger + lots of dps nodes.

ES nodes with CI right?

also can someone link me an ideal dw claw shadow tank build

I am a dw ci shadow, running two bloodseekers (the unique claws), lvl 73 atm.

I also run iron reflexes, so there is a touch of points to the south.

Once you get vaal pact the bloodseekers should be replaced by better dps claws.

I face tanked both kole and piety with this build after the patch that upped the levels of the areas, so your sustain is really high (Ghost reaver OP ;) )

Skills:

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Elkano wrote:

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Xavyer wrote:

Basic claw vs dagger difference looks like this.
Claw: It will take as long time as needed until you all are dead.
Dagger: I kill you faster than you kill me.
Claw crit build is half as efficient as dagger crit. But claws have crapload of leech and that makes a good dual wiled tank if you will take Vaal Pact and lots of es nodes.

So if you prefer tank char - go claws and lots of es nodes. If you prefer dps - go dagger + lots of dps nodes.

ES nodes with CI right?

also can someone link me an ideal dw claw shadow tank build

Hi, I currently have a sort of tank-ish Shadow and so far I'm loving it with a few exceptions and downsides. But basically, as pointed out, the problem lies with my gear so I expect better results as soon as I upgrade my gear.

Anyhow, here is the thread regarding my build. You can check it out for reference.

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Elkano wrote:

ES nodes with CI right?

Yes i was referring to CI claw shadow because they only way to get full use of your insane leech is by having Vaal Pact. Without it your leech will be capped by your max hp, and most of your huge leech will go to waste.

Here is a Dual Claw CI Tank Concept i would have done for myself if i was into claws:
http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/398595

woa, thanks :D

Claws would be from what you say, much more suited for my build, this is why I was wondering such things, unfortunately, vaal's pact is at least 8 or 9 points away from my current tree, and I don't have as much ES as what your build example has whatsoever ( with a 500 ES chest, I have 4500 ES, but hey I was able to solo piety and I'm soloing maps so it's not that bad :] ).

The thing is, I don't see why claws have so much less scaling with crits than daggers, 40 to 80% increased crit chance is not that huge to me ( getting a 10% crit chance with a really high dps daggers is very difficult, I rarely ones as good as mine actually ( don't have enough currency to exalt it yet ^^" ) : ).

I will try out claws if I get some drops in a very near future, I don't know if bloodseeker has enough dps to allow me not to get vaal's pact from the inate passive in it. ( double essentia sanguis looks great, but I don't think I'd like the outlook of this one IG whatsoever so I'm gonna skip it lol ).
Would you abandon crits to play a tanky DW claw build ?

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Fruz wrote:

The thing is, I don't see why claws have so much less scaling with crits than daggers, 40 to 80% increased crit chance is not that huge to me

On 2 daggers you will get 160% crits from daggers and 115% crit chance + 96% crit multipyer on dagger-only passives. For claws you will get 45% crit chance and 0% multiplier on claw-only nodes.
So it's 230% crit chance and 96% crit multiplier in favor of daggers. That's why daggers are a lot better for crit builds.

As to your dagger, i don't know if you run Weapon Elemental Damage but if you don't your dagger is not the way to go.
For example if i change this dagger:

for your dagger my dps will drop from 23.4K to 21.4K