Please confirm Reinforced Barrier Notable Interaction

So Reinforced Barrier States:

*20% increased maximum Energy Shield
*Defend with 120% of Armour while not on Low Energy Shield

If I have no energy shield, I've been told that I am neither on full nor low energy shield.

If that is correct, does that mean that if I have no energy shield (0/0) that the second line of defending with 120% armour will work?

Thank you for clarifying this!

Anyone? Or - is there a better sub-forum to ask this?

As I understand, if you out of shield - you tank everything with your REGULAR armor%. I.e. while your shield is yet strong, you also prevent more damage to it, based on your armor, but once shield is damaged enough - you stuck with your regular armor values.

I am also looking for a proper answer to this question.
According to pob it's exactly like you assumed.
I guess Nocturnal3111 didn't understand what you are asking.

Yeah they did misunderstand.

Glad I'm not the only one - still hoping for some GGG input!

I don't know the answer but I know some people test stuff like this by allocating the nodes onto low level white amulets and then do A B testing in low level areas while watching how much a mob hits them for.

Eg. bring a level 2 azure amulet with the notable put on it using the delirium emotions and then put on 50 armor and go let a Knight slap you up in the cemetery and make note of how much damage he does each time (easier to track if you have 0 life regen).

Then you put on the amulet and if there's significant differences in the damage being received, you can assume that you're seeing the benefit of having 120% increased armour (or not, if there is no difference).

I tested this by having a White Mob from Interlude hit me over a time period.

I had 0 energy shield.

I compared this node with 100% Inc Armour from other nodes.

It always took much longer for the little white skeleton to hit me for 2000 damage while using the 100% increased nodes vs Reinforced Barrier. From this I can conclusively conclude:

It does not work if you have 0 energy shield.

Considering the tooltip says "while not low", not being the operating word, this feels like a big lie GGG 😂

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AveiMil#0732 wrote:

I compared this node with 100% Inc Armour from other nodes.

It always took much longer for the little white skeleton to hit me for 2000 damage while using the 100% increased nodes vs Reinforced Barrier. From this I can conclusively conclude:

It does not work if you have 0 energy shield.

No wonder you came to this conclusion. With Reinforced Barrier you defend with Armour * 1.2. With 100% increased armour, your armour is x2.

The interaction can be easily tested with Heartbound Loop. But there's no reason it shouldn't work with 0 ES.

This node is for when you're being damaged through your energy shield. Low energy shield is 35% or less.

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MonaHuna#6449 wrote:

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AveiMil#0732 wrote:

I compared this node with 100% Inc Armour from other nodes.

It always took much longer for the little white skeleton to hit me for 2000 damage while using the 100% increased nodes vs Reinforced Barrier. From this I can conclusively conclude:

It does not work if you have 0 energy shield.

No wonder you came to this conclusion. With Reinforced Barrier you defend with Armour * 1.2. With 100% increased armour, your armour is x2.

The interaction can be easily tested with Heartbound Loop. But there's no reason it shouldn't work with 0 ES.

Well, that's a good point. I just realized I never actually properly read the node, my brain just assumed it followed the pattern of any other increased Armour node. My bad.

I did notice an increase in time for the Skeleton to deal 2000 damage with Reinforced Barrier, but it was very small so I chalked it up to variance. (1 minute and 36 seconds vs 1 minute and 40 seconds.)

Now then I'm wondering if it does work but that it's just a really bad node?

Thoughts:

My total Armour on character sheet is 17696 (before the additional 100% increased I tested with).
So those 100% increased nodes yield 4586 extra Armour (17696+4586) when test assigning them.
This caused white skeleton to take 1 minute and 54 seconds to deal 2000 damage.

When comparing that with Reinforced Barrier, I expected it to Defend with 120% of total Armour after increases to then be 21235 (3539 additional Armour). This test case caused the skeleton to take 1 minute and 38 seconds to deal 2000 damage.
These numbers don't make sense to me, so I'm pretty sure the node is not giving me 3539 additional Armour.

Does it defend with 120% of base Armour as added additional instead of 120% of the total after increases? I don't understand. From just gear pieces I have 4372 Armour, so is this just giving me 20% additional from that? (874). The test numbers indicate it's something like this (very low amount but not nothing).

I.e. if this node is working it doesn't seem very good.

I thought PoE2 was going to be more straightforward and intuitive than 1 😂