Why do you keep hating on minions???

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92ranger#4205 wrote:

I'm waiting until 0.3 to see if GGG learn their lesson. We don't want "meaningful combat" when it comes to mobs on maps.

I'm fine with meaningful boss combat. But that's it. If their vision is anything else, I'll just stay away and keep giving my feedback. But the player numbers are horrendous and support my opinion.

Agree, i dont mind meaningful combat and some builds are decent when using multiple skills, but some just have to be one button to feel good at all. I hate most melee skills in both poe 1 and poe 2 where u have to press multiple warcries and buffs before u can finally do damage with ur ultra slow attackspeed melee skill, only to be interrupted half way trough the insanely slow animation and miss ur target.

I used to love playing minions back in the days when they actually could survive and had decent clearspeed, not because they were the best meta skill out there but simply because they offered a pleasant relaxed playstyle that is nice for long extended farming sessions. Now they are just a struggle and a complete nightmare to level and they die way too often, they are nothing but a slugfest now

I was actually one of the first carrion golem abusers back when they were introduced in patch 3.8.0 where they had a 8% more damage multiplier pr non golem minion up to 80%. Noone had apparently given them much thought back then and people started pm'ing me for info since for some reason i had the highest dps on poe ninja, for a while at least :D those were great times

I m with you, I love playing a minion build but it's horrible in this patch they seem to get stuck even more. I've given up on them and went total chaos only but it seems so slow, effective when it works but I can't seem to run alone.

So I'm one of the ones that left to play another game that friends ate still playing. None of my friends playing POE2 anymore and I can't survive by myself. Last time as a summoner I found no one wanted to play with me because they couldn't see what was going on with all the effects but I could slowly progress.

This time I seem to be stuck. I'm bricked and broken. Campaign so hard I can't even contemplate trying another character.

I agree with all points raised earlier. I love minion builds and I just can't fathom why can't we have the same fun we had with carrion golems / crabs / sentinels anymore. It's beyond me, all these fantastic mechanics at our our fingertips yet we are barred from using it due to the wet noddle performance.

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_Cossack#1053 wrote:

I agree with all points raised earlier. I love minion builds and I just can't fathom why can't we have the same fun we had with carrion golems / crabs / sentinels anymore. It's beyond me, all these fantastic mechanics at our our fingertips yet we are barred from using it due to the wet noddle performance.

Yeah, carrion golems have been nerfed at least 4 times since they were introduced. Unfortunaately they dont see the double dipping issues when they nerf dps and hp at the same time, its like a 6-8x nerf since minion performance/survival is based on both hp and dps + the fact that u now have to pick even more defensive nodes in skill tree

I can understand why they nerf minions though. They want minion players to make more complex builds where they utilise spells to boost their damage meanwhile minions would provide less damage and more utility. Whole Witch skill tree starts with nodes that boost minion damage and spell damage.

But what minion players want is for their minions to do all the damage

It is hard for me to make an educated guess would spell/minion hybrid build work since all streamers are still playing same build from 0.1 where they hide while minions do everything.

Also Javazon and Deadeye should have been nerfed already but they are too afraid to make balance patch after all the quitters when they nerfed meta skills in 0.1.

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Keewee#5451 wrote:

I m with you, I love playing a minion build but it's horrible in this patch they seem to get stuck even more. I've given up on them and went total chaos only but it seems so slow, effective when it works but I can't seem to run alone.

So I'm one of the ones that left to play another game that friends ate still playing. None of my friends playing POE2 anymore and I can't survive by myself. Last time as a summoner I found no one wanted to play with me because they couldn't see what was going on with all the effects but I could slowly progress.

This time I seem to be stuck. I'm bricked and broken. Campaign so hard I can't even contemplate trying another character.

I love minion builds too and have been playing poe 1 since 2013. It used to be a pretty safe ladder starter but nowadays its a struggle to even keep them alive through campaign and deal damage.

I did however switch to warrior/warbringer this patch playing ancestral warrior totems with sunder, the difference is like night and day. Soo much smoother once u hit lvl 52 and can use the totem, literally a walk in the park compared to the summoner and it is tanky as f... once u do ur ascendancies. Not the fastest boss killer or clearspeed but its essentially a 1 button playstyle and you almost never die

Edit: Ooh and by the way its cheap and easy to make, can do campaign with nothing but ssf gear and a few +melee skills items bought from vendor. Poeguy has a great build guide for this on youtube

In T 16 its fun, a little challenging, having a hell of a time. All your complaining is ridiculous. Its a shame you are not competetive.

It's really funny to me when people step in to like a room where everyone is complaining just to say "I don't know why you are complaining" when like everyone has done nothing but cite extremely clear reasons why they are complaining over and over and have reached a general consensus.

And also that the fact that there are so many people complaining, probably means they are the majority.

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Majorita#4109 wrote:

It's really funny to me when people step in to like a room where everyone is complaining just to say "I don't know why you are complaining" when like everyone has done nothing but cite extremely clear reasons why they are complaining over and over and have reached a general consensus.

And also that the fact that there are so many people complaining, probably means they are the majority.

+1

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Wilmots#7633 wrote:

In T 16 its fun, a little challenging, having a hell of a time. All your complaining is ridiculous. Its a shame you are not competetive.

Im glad you are satisfied playing your high investment mediocre build, however if u were anything close to being competitive you would not be playing minions at all cause they are far from being competitive atm. The fact that soo many people have the same bad experience playing minions makes it pretty obvious that the summoner archetype has some serious balance and Qol issues