If Ghazzy can't make minions work...

https://youtu.be/Rm1ODLFk05E?si=-FmUcJlRkua24FwA
it is time to buff

He has made minions work though, he just doesn't like how they are playing atm. He says he dislikes them playing like a caster where imo I would be happier to see minions become more interactive with more commands and skills personally. Just with more variety than spamming one command over and over, I'd love to feel like a commander comboing my minions abilities together.

Certainly there are issues with minions overall like spectres wisp being troublesome and early game minions being paper makes it unfun to level with minion skills.

I don't think the near fully afk minion gameplay should ever be optimal, I don't mind it being there but it shouldn't be top tier. Which I am glad that is currently not the case. I'd love to see minions have more interactions between each other and the caster themself.

Im using spectre tanks and they working just fine. Yeah it is subjective to what minion you pick but there are some decent ones out there. Spectres also don't have the inherent weakness other minions have in terms of getting stuck in door ways or behind a wall since they teleport around.

Mine are even surviving through boss battles

Just asking this really naively...
but isnt his build around this? Last time I checked him he made glasscannon build.

While the minions alive in that 2-3 seconds they obliterated half of the boss hp.
Dont recall if GGG clarified any numbers, but they want to make sure you need to interact with bosses at least.

So we say minion builds are "bricked" because 2 aoe sweep cleared minions and he needed 20 seconds to kill a boss instead of 8?

What would be the good exchange?
Having a defensive skill gem that can put your minions into a pocket dimension?

A toggle skill to turn the ethereal: lets say gets 80% reduced damage, but their dps is reduced the same way? Would that be a concept as a spirit use gem? I mean that you can toggle it. 10Spirit reserve for 10% dmg exchange, 80spirit max for 80% exchange?

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Kraivan#1745 wrote:

Just asking this really naively...


What would be the good exchange?
Having a defensive skill gem that can put your minions into a pocket dimension?

How about a skill which makes them take far less damage but they also deal far less damage while you channel it?

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Aelin21#7976 wrote:

He has made minions work though, he just doesn't like how they are playing atm. He says he dislikes them playing like a caster where imo I would be happier to see minions become more interactive with more commands and skills personally. Just with more variety than spamming one command over and over, I'd love to feel like a commander comboing my minions abilities together.

Certainly there are issues with minions overall like spectres wisp being troublesome and early game minions being paper makes it unfun to level with minion skills.

I don't think the near fully afk minion gameplay should ever be optimal, I don't mind it being there but it shouldn't be top tier. Which I am glad that is currently not the case. I'd love to see minions have more interactions between each other and the caster themself.

the fact minions are auto-revives themselves etc - is the reason the architype of summoner is less interactable in fights. Because power of the character contains not in him/herself, but in minions. Yet, there are possible ways to make minion plays more interesting - it's rts units micro. Dota2 is good example how even heroes with a-click summons are still on the top of micro-intensive characters.

I dont like ggg's trying to make "all classes to press as many buttons as possible", because with minions abilities it really tradeoff their autonomous effectivness for almost nothing (due to low castrate of minion command skills).
It's better to give players other ways to improve their gameplay with minions:
- add "ai supports" to allow minions act differently; or "minion ability supports" to allow minions use socketed abilities on their own.
- make minions able to revive immedietly for manacost (via support? via skillgem? just by default?) - those way mana will return to a state, where it's still a valuable resource even with minions.
- give players more role-minions, give them "tank" minions, which will take damage before other minions and player => it will allow to sactifice part of dps for extra survivability.
- add "army commad skill gems" - like buffing allies(minions) to take less damage for few seconds (to survive aoe attack?)/reposition fast(almost the same)/dps-burst etc etc.

PS: personally i would like to enter map, place 2 barracks and spam skeletons which will just clear all the map while i'm chilling on the throne. True powerfantasy of a summoner.

this isn't a real time strategy game. If minion builds are supposed to function like an RTS mini game, I'm not interested. The whole point of minions is autonomous dps. Otherwise, why not just play a speedy clearing build?

you gotta play like johnaathan is plaaying other wise you dont know how to play the game

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IzludeQC#4238 wrote:

you gotta play like johnaathan is plaaying other wise you dont know how to play the game

So play act 1-3 then stop playing and pretend the endgame is just like that? The guy is so clueless no wonder he never streamed, he would become the new big lolcow to rival DSP.

People who say minions builds are autopilotand don't use buttons clearly don't play minions and don't know what they're talking about.

The point is to use command abilities in conjunction with the minions, on top of using things like curses, offerings, and other support spells.

GGG without clear and demonstrable reason nuked minions so the only thing that can feasibly do actual end-game are commander builds (so playing a spellcaster with extra steps) or those godawful vaal guards that kill your frames better than enemies.

A point is also to be made that in order achieve what is arguably even good endgame capacity the itemization for minions is so egregious that a mirror tier minion build is the equivalent to a semi-invested meta build.

Fix minions.