Stop nerfing the game and making it boring

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TIGRElaranja#2163 wrote:

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rifraf-_-#9478 wrote:

These numbers are insignificant. They don't matter. What matters is at the moment more players are playing PoE 2 than PoE 1 EVER had. Source; Johnathan :)

PoE2
playing 27 min ago - 174,601
24-hour peak - 204,068

PoE1
all-time peak - 228,398

Even in that you’re mistaken. You should call it quits.

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rifraf-_-#9478 wrote:

Great, more random numbers. PoE 2 sold MORE than 1 million early access copies before it even went live. That's a confirmed fact.

Diablo 4 sold even more, that doesn’t make it good either.

Great, all the PoE 1 cave dwellers are out with their "numbers" trying to prove how good their game is and how bad PoE 2 is.

I get this is your forum but you're pathetic.

Bro sure hates them numbers.

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rifraf-_-#9478 wrote:

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Raedhys#5612 wrote:

In your opinion, once LS is nerfed into the ground because it doesn't fit THE VISION, and all that is left is the slow slog that you and 3% of the playerbase enjoy, what is going to happen to thse numbers ?

Let's see if you can figure that out.

You are part of the loud minority, not me. Case in point, if you weren't, PoE 2 would dead right now because all you PoE 1 stuck ups would've left already. The fact is, the game is doing very well without you :)

Unless GGG wants this game to keep doing well, they need to stop dumbing it down and making it easier. That's how you destroy the game and everyone leaves.

As I already demonstrated, PoE 2 is reaching the numbers it has because of the zoom zoom one button screen clear builds like Amazon LS right now or Spark Archmage last patch.
If everyone wants the vision, why are the most popular builds in the game the zoom zoom ones ? It seems to me that you're the loud minority, that makes more sense.

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onetruelai#7327 wrote:

Bro sure hates them numbers.

Reality sure is hard to accept.

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Raedhys#5612 wrote:

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rifraf-_-#9478 wrote:

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Raedhys#5612 wrote:

In your opinion, once LS is nerfed into the ground because it doesn't fit THE VISION, and all that is left is the slow slog that you and 3% of the playerbase enjoy, what is going to happen to thse numbers ?

Let's see if you can figure that out.

You are part of the loud minority, not me. Case in point, if you weren't, PoE 2 would dead right now because all you PoE 1 stuck ups would've left already. The fact is, the game is doing very well without you :)

Unless GGG wants this game to keep doing well, they need to stop dumbing it down and making it easier. That's how you destroy the game and everyone leaves.

As I already demonstrated, PoE 2 is reaching the numbers it has because of the zoom zoom one button screen clear builds like Amazon LS right now or Spark Archmage last patch.
If everyone wants the vision, why are the most popular builds in the game the zoom zoom ones ? It seems to me that you're the loud minority, that makes more sense.

You demonstrated nothing of the sort. You casually posted some random website numbers and then you proceeded to claim that "this is why the game is popular" which is completely unhinged to even suggest. Seriously man, touch some grass. The world is not your little bubble.

Logic has left the room crying for help.

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rifraf-_-#9478 wrote:

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Raedhys#5612 wrote:

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rifraf-_-#9478 wrote:

You are part of the loud minority, not me. Case in point, if you weren't, PoE 2 would dead right now because all you PoE 1 stuck ups would've left already. The fact is, the game is doing very well without you :)

Unless GGG wants this game to keep doing well, they need to stop dumbing it down and making it easier. That's how you destroy the game and everyone leaves.

As I already demonstrated, PoE 2 is reaching the numbers it has because of the zoom zoom one button screen clear builds like Amazon LS right now or Spark Archmage last patch.
If everyone wants the vision, why are the most popular builds in the game the zoom zoom ones ? It seems to me that you're the loud minority, that makes more sense.

You demonstrated nothing of the sort. You casually posted some random website numbers and then you proceeded to claim that "this is why the game is popular" which is completely unhinged to even suggest. Seriously man, touch some grass. The world is not your little bubble.

Logic has left the room crying for help.

LMAO
I'm basing what I'm saying on stats done on thousands of characters.
You're basing what you're saying on nothing except your personal opinion.
Who needs to get out of his little bubble here ? You're ridiculous.
I know it's hard to admit, but the hard truth is this : the majority of POE 2 players are playing zoom zoom. This was true in 0.1 and still is in 0.2

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Raedhys#5612 wrote:

LMAO
I'm basing what I'm saying on stats done on thousands of characters.
You're basing what you're saying on nothing except your personal opinion.
Who needs to get out of his little bubble here ? You're ridiculous.
I know it's hard to admit, but the hard truth is this : the majority of POE 2 players are playing zoom zoom. This was true in 0.1 and still is in 0.2

You're basing your entire argument on made up numbers from a random website and I'm the ridiculous here?

What's hard to admit, let alone accept, is that PoE 2 is doing great without PoE 1 stuck ups. Johnathan has talked about the hurt egos of the OG fans not being able to fully adapt in the new game and it's honestly a sad reality for that community.

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rifraf-_-#9478 wrote:

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Raedhys#5612 wrote:

LMAO
I'm basing what I'm saying on stats done on thousands of characters.
You're basing what you're saying on nothing except your personal opinion.
Who needs to get out of his little bubble here ? You're ridiculous.
I know it's hard to admit, but the hard truth is this : the majority of POE 2 players are playing zoom zoom. This was true in 0.1 and still is in 0.2

You're basing your entire argument on made up numbers from a random website and I'm the ridiculous here?

What's hard to admit, let alone accept, is that PoE 2 is doing great without PoE 1 stuck ups. Johnathan has talked about the hurt egos of the OG fans not being able to fully adapt in the new game and it's honestly a sad reality for that community.

Made up lmao, I'm sure someone entered all those characters manually to lie about the meta of PoE2 :)
So you have nothing of substance to answer, only denial of the reality.
Denial is the first step of grief, good luck with this, you'll get over it eventually.

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Raedhys#5612 wrote:

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rifraf-_-#9478 wrote:

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Raedhys#5612 wrote:

LMAO
I'm basing what I'm saying on stats done on thousands of characters.
You're basing what you're saying on nothing except your personal opinion.
Who needs to get out of his little bubble here ? You're ridiculous.
I know it's hard to admit, but the hard truth is this : the majority of POE 2 players are playing zoom zoom. This was true in 0.1 and still is in 0.2

You're basing your entire argument on made up numbers from a random website and I'm the ridiculous here?

What's hard to admit, let alone accept, is that PoE 2 is doing great without PoE 1 stuck ups. Johnathan has talked about the hurt egos of the OG fans not being able to fully adapt in the new game and it's honestly a sad reality for that community.

Made up lmao, I'm sure someone entered all those characters manually to lie about the meta of PoE2 :)
So you have nothing of substance to answer, only denial of the reality.
Denial is the first step of grief, good luck with this, you'll get over it eventually.

You're doubling down on making 0 points. That's hilarious man. Is that your website you're trying to plug :)

Anyway, good luck with griefing over how "bad" PoE 2 is and what build "everyone" is playing. You'll get over it eventually :)

100% Stop nerfing, man — you're making a boring situation even worse.

Challenge = engagement.

Ask yourself — why aren't zoomers just playing D4 or LE? Probably because they hit max level in half a day, started one-shotting bosses with BiS gear, and then got bored.

CONSIDER: Look at the recent patch changes or the points raised in the Zizaran interview. Every change was either a buff to players or a nerf to monsters. Not once was there a mention of increasing monster power or tuning down player power. You have to ask yourself — is this objective feedback or completely one-sided?

Some will say it’s because the game is "too hard." Come on, man — if there are already plenty of HCSSF players clearing content around level 95, maybe it’s not that the game is too hard — maybe your approach is wrong. It’s a new game. People haven’t mastered boss mechanics, are squandering resources, and then complaining they can’t craft decent gear. They’re not checking vendors for useful items to salvage, or leveraging systems effectively.

Look at Zizaran — a top-tier ARPG player — who was gambling his currency instead of buying socketed or quality items to salvage for mats. If even he can make sub-optimal choices, surely others are too, and then crying about “bad loot.”

I’m not saying loot or speed or other balance issues shouldn’t be looked at — and specifically, my comments apply strictly to the campaign. It does seem like endgame boss loot needs GGG's attention.

But the game doesn’t need to be nerfed further just because zoomers playing sub-optimally are getting their complaints echoed 100,000x by streamers — leading to difficulty (i.e., engagement and enjoyment) being nerfed into oblivion.

Instead, lean on the data and the metrics. Thankfully, I know GGG aren’t stupid — they made POE1, one of the best ARPGs ever. Give them time to cook, and keep the feedback constructive.

Challenge is fun — it’s what keeps us coming back.