The Cardinal Sin of Game Design: Prioritizing Punishing the Player over FUN

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Urza_Mechwalker#7393 wrote:

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tsunamikun#0433 wrote:

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Urza_Mechwalker#7393 wrote:

CArdinal sin of players.. thinking FUN is only what THEY see as fun.... and ignroe that millions of peopel wroldwide have different takes on what is fun

1. at most we're talking about 250k players
2. His notion is, if we take forums and reddit, a farspread one.
3. Don't make the same mistake you accusing him of ;)

I am not talking about player numbers. I am saying that there are millions of people in the world that have DIFFERENT takes of what is fun than you or some other person simple as that. GGG is trying to explore other player demographics...a nd obviously will never get more than a small fraction of any given population

There are some people in this world who enjoy eating dirt.

Putting dirt on a plate doesn't make you avante gaurde, it just means you don't know how to cook.

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Mashgesture#2912 wrote:

the bulk of people lmfao

Guy lives in the forum bubble.

Thinking a couple hundred people versus the several hundred thousand in game who dont have these issues.

Just know forums represent less than 1% of players for pretty much any game youll ever find.

Yeah sure. You are trolling or are you so good in game.
I was counting yesterday. 65 gits, 65 hits! to kill blue monster on level 8 map with 3 other people as level 75 monk.

Go play your awesome game

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crazyfingers619#3901 wrote:

There are some people in this world who enjoy eating dirt.

Putting dirt on a plate doesn't make you avante gaurde, it just means you don't know how to cook.

If the number of such people that like to eat dirt were huge then it woudl make a lot of sense to make a product for those people. That is how companies SHOULD operate.


I hate apple products, I think they are crap and a waste of money and as someone very technical I know they are factually inferior, yet there is a huge number of peopel that want those products. I am not going to waste my time sending emaisl to apple to say that they need to start doing proper computers... they are not targeting the market share I am.


POE2 do not target your market share.. simple as that.

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Martin_ex#0042 wrote:

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Mashgesture#2912 wrote:

the bulk of people lmfao

Guy lives in the forum bubble.

Thinking a couple hundred people versus the several hundred thousand in game who dont have these issues.

Just know forums represent less than 1% of players for pretty much any game youll ever find.

Yeah sure. You are trolling or are you so good in game.
I was counting yesterday. 65 gits, 65 hits! to kill blue monster on level 8 map with 3 other people as level 75 monk.

Go play your awesome game

yeah.. that is clearly what I see here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwKZYFvAMZ4 ooo ops no.. shoel screens disapearing with 1 shot.

I skip the Dawn of the Hunt, I knew this would happen.

GGG is mirroring Diablo 4 failures.

GGG is speed running a how-to guide on how to get gamers to go outside or read a book for a change.

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Urza_Mechwalker#7393 wrote:

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tsunamikun#0433 wrote:

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Urza_Mechwalker#7393 wrote:

CArdinal sin of players.. thinking FUN is only what THEY see as fun.... and ignroe that millions of peopel wroldwide have different takes on what is fun

1. at most we're talking about 250k players
2. His notion is, if we take forums and reddit, a farspread one.
3. Don't make the same mistake you accusing him of ;)

I am not talking about player numbers. I am saying that there are millions of people in the world that have DIFFERENT takes of what is fun than you or some other person simple as that. GGG is trying to explore other player demographics...a nd obviously will never get more than a small fraction of any given population

This game is OBJECTIVELY not fun...

The game forces you to feel underpowered to "challenge" you by making you unable to kill anything fast, not even white mobs...

The game forces you to grind for trading currencies and waste your time because you don't find usable loot on the ground even for leveling through the campaign


The game doesn't have a crafting system and all it's systems are based on a HUGE RNG slot machine that is designed to waste your time for "player retention"

The game is absolutely tedious and full of mechanics that are meant to kill you without real outplay (mobs being way faster than you, tons of one-shot kills, tons of on-death effects that do ridiculous damage, tons of ground effects that do absolutely ridiculous damage based on the fact that you don't have any traversal/movement skills to counter them... oh and every time you die you lose XP that is very VERY tediously slow to get back... meaning you waste even more time...

The game is OBJECTIVELY not fun... meaning that it's not fun based on the concept of fun for the average person... the fact that you're trying to glaze this game based on the fact that some people are absolute gluttons for punishment and they enjoy being punished over and over and over and over again because they "overcome adversity" in a goddamn VIDEO GAME show how out of touch you are...


This game will go down this path and will be left with a very very small minority of glutton for punishment demographic that is not a healthy one... in any way you see it...

Yeah, games a supposed to be fun. It shouldn't be an after thought after difficulty.

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Blade_Dancer_90#3602 wrote:

This game is OBJECTIVELY not fun...

This statement nullifies EVERYTHING you may write.. By definition FUN is subjective.. so NOTHING in the universe can be OBJECTIVELY fun or not fun.

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crazyfingers619#3901 wrote:

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Akedomo#3573 wrote:

This post assumes you know what everyone wants as fun.

You don't. And clearly, the forums are full of people telling you this.

Time to stop ignoring it. Recognize there's differences, and that PoE 2.. might not fit your ideal game that you have in your mind.

I don't have niche taste in gaming like you do. You are projecting. Most gamers can trust their own tastes as if a game is good, they will like it.

It's people who think GGG is making a game specifically for their small group of power players that are the ones who think it's subjective.

It isn't.

Diablo 2, Mario 64, Dota, these are all time greats. They are good games, and the systems and balance within them facilitate fun.

POE 2 in its current state is not on the path to becoming a truly great game, and the bulk of people not enjoying it is testament to that.

So. My post. Telling you 'You aren't the authority on what's fun'. "Everyone is different", and you proceed to tell me how most people think the same way as you? and how my viewpoint is just 'niche'? And you justify this using what.. Confirmation bias from a forum of a vocal minority of the game?

Incredible. Thanks for the comment.