Put "Mirrored" status on both items, base and newly created

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GL1TCH4D#7182 wrote:

Oh my. I wonder if people recognize the effects that they're proposing.

If those top tier items were also given the mirrored tag (cannot be modified anymore) it would lock out more copies being created (as OP is suggesting).

That means that whatever the crafter put in to crafting the item would have to be charged (with a surcharge for time and effort). So imagine an item that cost 10 mirrors (or 15k divs) of omens to complete, then the crafter would have to charge the mirror (to make the copy) + at least the 15k divs just to break even. And their "profit" would just be keeping the original item, which now can no longer be changed.
So before you were going 1 mirror + 700 divs or so to copy a basically perfect item, up to 15k divs as a fee. That's assuming they don't add surcharge on top of crafting cost, which you'd bet they will. But if the crafter is charging the full crafting cost of the item, then the player wanting a copy may as well craft it themselves and have a non-mirrored copy.
So you'd have to charge less than what it would normally cost to craft the perfect item. Now you have a "problem" as the fee will be significantly less than the cost, and you will not be able to continue getting returns for the item besides just getting to keep a perfect item for use.

So to calculate your range of sale, it would be between (crafting cost + mirror cost)/2 and (crafting cost - mirror cost).
Now ask yourself, how many people even have the 7500-10k divs in the first place to buy the copy? So before you even start you basically need to have someone lined up ready to take the service, otherwise you might be sitting on a very expensive investment hoping that someone eventually comes along.

Now let's review the "solutions" proposed to fix this.
1) Make mirrors more common
This does nothing as it will devalue the mirror and now people are just going to be mirroring stuff for friends or before throwing it on the market to try and get double the sales. This will potentially hurt the trade market as well especially for people playing off meta builds as now many more of the items will either be corrupted or mirrored.
Further, less people will want to corrupt items as mirrors are now more common and would be way safer to just mirror to dump two copies on the market.
2) Make omens more common
The problem with omens is lack of determinism. It can take hundreds of omens to get a specific set of mods. Making them more common would just reduce the cost of making the mirror tier item as normal players would still get more profit to sell instead of gamble craft on their own with the omens they find. If they're so common to the point that normal players have no problem chucking them at normal gear, it would mean the market would be flooded by near perfect / perfect items.

Really the core point is the imbalance of power between crafting groups and normal players. Without just hitting a jackpot item off the ground / slamming raw, there's very little that people can do to amass thousands of omens to do these crafts with. Once these groups push out the mirror tier items they cant collect fees, reinvest them into other mirror tier crafts, and continue ad nauseam provided people mirror their items (and enough mirrors drop to continue running services).
If target crafting is too easy (aka not resource intensive), it just makes items less unique as everyone will just target craft for their own build and you'll have tons of similar items around. If target crafting is too hard (expensive) for the average player, then they can only hope to afford mirror service.

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Malgeo318#2320 wrote:

100% agree with this except for make omens more common rebuttal. Omens should be Slightly more common than they are now, dont make them drop 10 every ritual but make them more common to allow people to craft a little more, the idea is to try to get the Mirror crafting fee from 700 divs down to say 10-20divs like in POE1 that way you dont have to farm 2 mirrors to buy a mirror service for an item that costed 15k divs to craft. Make the craft cost 4 mirrors so the crafters dont have to charge as much to make their investment back.

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kosmo_blacksmith#5449 wrote:

Exept now you buy a base and craft it yourself. The mirror service would die out. And now the dudes craft just an mirror tier item more and sell it without the penalty on it. The buyer can now decide if he wants to dupe it once to make something back or just resell it as is. Sounds a little bit like corruption, doesn't it? You just dont brick your items. Everybody gets more items to have fun with. And the people that crafted or dropped the item have to decided to keep or sell it. I got my experience now. And with all I read, I am convinced this is all just about gatekeeping. Let the peasants farm maps And even tell them it is more fun to not complete their character.