Waste Of Time - Endgame bad

The waystone drop rate, and the quality is terrible; I run a T5 map, and get T2 waystones dropped (I have the Atlas perk for higher quality - pointless). Reforging waystones is not fun, time consuming, and stops the action to sit in a menu. The game refuses to drop the currency I need to progress, and so I have to constantly sell loot, to buy T1 waystones from Doryani, to take to the reforging bench, upgrade repeatedly until I get the tier waystone I need. Selling items means I can’t disenchant them, which means less regal orbs, so then only I can only regal a couple of the waystones. If GGG isn’t going to add guaranteed drops, can you at least make it so I can buy the tier waystone I need from Doryani?!? The entire process with the waystones feels like a massive waste of time… and thus the game feels like a waste of time. I make a bit of progress and am left frustrated after every play session because I’ll run (e.g. today) 6 tier 5 map runs and get 2 tier 5 waystones… instead of feeling like I gained 2 waystones I feel like I lost 4 waystones and I sit here like “WTF am I doing, why am I playing this”? It’s like the one thing the other game does better: I know when I play that I’ll get more than enough infernal compasses and crap to play the endgame, without having to spend time doing boring a$$ crafting - or spending every last bit of gold to buy the crap I need to craft this god awful currency/mechanic.

It takes 81 Tier 1 waystones to produce 1 Tier 5 waystone (to purchase this outright at 5,000 gold is 405,000 gold - almost 1/2 million gold for 1 Tier 5 waystone - what the actual fudge?!?!) in addition to the time spent reforging/upgrading the T1s.

I really enjoy the rest of the game, and have no other complaints but this one: the drop rate on waystones is terrible. I don’t get how GGG is taking the time to “adjust” classes but not to adjust the waystone drop rate… it’s EA, I’d almost understand if this was a League but it’s EA why is there not enough currency to run endgame content?!?! If you don’t wanna fix the drop rate FFS add the various tiers needed to Doryani’s sales list. Reforging is time intensive and lame.

Once you get past the god awful first-character waystone grind, it's completely fine.

Unfortunately exactly like you say, sustaining maps early on can be absolute cancer, especially if you happen to fail your first couple Boss attempts in your highest tier waystones. This almost always ensures you will be set back tremendously with just 1 death.

I had the same experience, and once my second character rolled around to map level, I had more low tier maps again, I had more Atlas Passives, etc, it came together.

Best advice is to focus on completing Doryani's waystone quests, and invest ALL of your atlas passives toward "+waystone drop %" and "+waystones drop at higher tier".

From T1 to T10 i had to buy waystones like 3 times in total 1ex per map (due to death). Slap some currency on maps

I really do love the campaign - but it’s early access and they said they wanted feedback.
Doing this is tedious: https://youtu.be/PWKAJh8_8RA?si=xI8wXbWnE1ok8p1y
I’ll also post a video of one of my runs since, where it’s like I run the map, 1st attempt and don’t get a single waystone.
Like I’m not trying to be ungrateful, it’s a very fun game - but the endgame doesn’t feel fun IMO. I appreciate updates to uniques and “ pinnacle “ content but like I’m just a dude not pinnacle and like I feel like I can’t play cause of like idk RNG bad luck whatever

- Spend each day after work grinding waystones and currency
- Finally forge (boring af) Tier 6 waystone
- Run and complete Tier 6 waystone
- Rewarded with one Tier 4 waystone

https://youtu.be/olJqS_bCD6s?si=WtgWv0SbzWT2O8zV

Go on social media, see all this cool content that I can’t access because there’s no guaranteed drops or ability to buy the waystones for the level I need. So not only do I see all this content I can’t access, but I can’t get past lv 76 because I can’t get the waystone/map level high enough to where I am earning any reasonable XP.

I watch streamers and others and they get a bunch of waystone drops, is it just some favoritism based on your IP or microtransaction history? Why is it that if I want to play I need to go to some sketch trade site to buy waystones? Why is Doryani’s inventory so f-ing big if all he’s gonna sell is Tier 1 waystones? Why not sell the waystones a player needs based on their quest requirements?

With waystones I find that it's worthwhile to dump EX onto waystones to get higher waystone drop chance esp. when you're fighting through issues of sustain.


If memory serves +100% waystone drop chance kept my sustain going until T6-T8 or so. After that shooting for +200 waystone drop chance kept me going for a long time.

it's not rly worth to slam ex on you waystone before 15 imo was totaly fine with just alch/aug/regal, i did buy some map to doryani for the very early mapping, used the 3/1 recipe kill some bosses, and well did not have any issue sustaining.

I agree not being able to buy the normal waystone for tier is crap. However this crappy system is solvable:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmk3-3pC94k&t=1s

I only use waystones for my current tier for bosses. Use your regal and exalted only on those. For other stuff use a lower tier waysone but only full magic (Orb of Augmentation & Transmutation)


It's still not a fun or engaging system and on the PS5 inventory management is terrible and tedious.

We know the loot is mostly trash so I dont get excited over rares or uniques but I do get excited when a waystone drops since that means I can actually play the game. Its one of the worst systems they could create. It means you can beat the map and do nothing wrong but get punished for it. They should let you use currency on the map itself for affixes and loot drop chance but then limit you to only running maps that are connected to completed ones. Just remove the waystones entirely. Just my feeling on it

Their RNG is not "even", some people get better map layouts, maybe it is working well for 70% players who claim to face no issue, but the problem still remains for the rest which might stop playing the game altogether (this is only EA and plenty of other games are coming out)