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the whole topic about "anti-zoom" is useless. the game is about making your character stronger. getting stronger means getting faster. making changes to prevent people from getting faster means you are taking away the reason to play the game in the first place. why would somebody want to stay as slow as with lvl 1? so you can dodgeroll in circles around the next deadly rabbit for hundrets of hours?
Power progression does not translate directly to raw speed. Having more tools and stats does not mean a character has to have a vast increase in mobility or attack/cast speed. Many successful titles don't even have animation or movement speed increases as part of their power progression.
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Posted byLVSviral#3689on Jan 4, 2025, 9:06:29 PM
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the whole topic about "anti-zoom" is useless. the game is about making your character stronger. getting stronger means getting faster. making changes to prevent people from getting faster means you are taking away the reason to play the game in the first place. why would somebody want to stay as slow as with lvl 1? so you can dodgeroll in circles around the next deadly rabbit for hundrets of hours?
Power progression does not translate directly to raw speed. Having more tools and stats does not mean a character has to have a vast increase in mobility or attack/cast speed.
if a character is getting stronger, he can kill monsters faster -> speed
the whole progression is about getting stronger and everything translates into speed.
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Posted byPl4t1numX#4325on Jan 4, 2025, 9:08:48 PM
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those are very good points. ty for your perspective.
GGG needs to set a clear foundation of the type of game they want. Their own design decisions devolved poe1 into what it is today.
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Incorrect....it had nothing to do with "zoomer mentality". It had EVERYTHING to do with the systems and skills that GGG themselves created and implemented that LED to the zoom zoom playstyle. And then continued to build on it.
One need only look at 3.14 to see how it most certainly ISN'T the gamers that are the source of this problem. GGG attacked power creep from nearly every possible angle....while also introducing Mageblood into the game.
We can see the same in PoE 2. GGG WANTED to make a more methodical, slow game. Yet they also included Temporalis, skills, and league mechanics designed for zoom zoom playstyle.
It is a GGG development team perpetual problem, not a "mentality" problem.
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Posted byIcyMistV#5121on Jan 4, 2025, 9:08:51 PM
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But yes, they need to tune everything to the current speed of our POE2 characters instead of our POE1 characters.
And keep the boring uninteresting spaghetti map with repetitive tile sets with everything slowed down too much and a very poorly designed evade mechanic? No thanks.
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i yes let's degrade people's opinions based on how many supporter packs they purchased. this toxic poe1 elitist mentality is not helpful towards the big picture or the community. take this garbage elsewhere. ty
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dude with 0 supporter packs talking about what will or won't ruin POE lmfao.
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Posted byIcyMistV#5121on Jan 4, 2025, 9:10:38 PM
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the whole topic about "anti-zoom" is useless. the game is about making your character stronger. getting stronger means getting faster. making changes to prevent people from getting faster means you are taking away the reason to play the game in the first place. why would somebody want to stay as slow as with lvl 1? so you can dodgeroll in circles around the next deadly rabbit for hundrets of hours?
Power progression does not translate directly to raw speed. Having more tools and stats does not mean a character has to have a vast increase in mobility or attack/cast speed.
if a character is getting stronger, he can kill monsters faster -> speed
the whole progression is about getting stronger and everything translates into speed.
Movement speed is not included in that, which is the one that makes this game tedious when you factor in the massive waystones and clear conditions like some have mentioned.
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Posted byAssababud#2808on Jan 4, 2025, 9:11:47 PM
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if a character is getting stronger, he can kill monsters faster -> speed
the whole progression is about getting stronger and everything translates into speed.
The point of the power increase is to take on harder opponents. If your character is killing endgame challenge content faster than early game content with even less input then the progression system has either failed, or the game is not meant to pose any challenge to begin with.
GGG has made it clear that they want PoE2 to have engaging content and difficult boss fights. Zoom zoom meta is anathema to this.
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Posted byLVSviral#3689on Jan 4, 2025, 9:12:06 PM
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I hate to break it to you but calling people ''casuals'' because they dont want to invest dozens of hours replaying the same campaign just to try 8 dif characters is kind of toxic. you might pride yourself on having nothing better to do with your time but a lot of people have jobs, friends, family, a life, responsibilities... it doesn't make sense to force people every new league to play through a campaign that is 5-10 times longer than the poe1 campaign just so they can explore new content or experience new characters.
it is bad game design imo.
and your toxic mentality is 100% what i was talking about in my statement. poe1's community fosters unkind and even outright toxic players and it creates an environment where people cannot share their opinions without being attacked. GGG needs to do something about it.
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this was the worst thing about poe1. the way the community became so tired and disillusioned with the game that they wanted it to become faster and faster so people could zoom through the game and reach the end game content at a quicker pace.
A partial solution to the zoomer problem (: What if for every character that you level from L1 to L60 you get 1 free character that you can start at L50 (Act 6?) with 2 ascendancies. Life is short. Not everyone will be able to commit to a ''give up the rest of my social life'' mentality for poe2. Most people aren't streamers and actually have real lives, jobs, families, and responsibilities. It only makes sense to allow people to have this kind of option. You will still have to level from Level 1 every Other character so the campaign will still have to be experienced. This is a great middle ground solution.
Give us a L50 character for every character that we level from L1 to L60.
bad bad zooming, shame on the guys that want to become faster. solution: lets skip campain because casuals dont have time
nice try troll
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Posted byIcyMistV#5121on Jan 4, 2025, 9:13:07 PM
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TLDR: Meta gaming ruins the game and the environment. Trading for gear upgrades turns the game into an easy mode and a lot of players refuse to play a more meaningful game where victory is earned rather than just handed to you. Would like to see a more challenging game mode focused on longer more exciting boss battles. Give us a L50 character for every character that we level from L1 to L60.
God damn that post is an epic, and well deserving of GGG reading it.
I share the instant despair that GGG are going to be too sensitive to the zoomers and not have the ball sack to pull their game back under control.
Which will mean the entire point of forking 2 from 1 is voided instantly.
As someone who has already been through losing the "clear speed war" in POE1 I've really little hope here. Confidence is not high.
Pandering to players who don't want consequences for their mistakes is a perfect description of what went fundamentally wrong with D3 and 4.
If they wanted mindless mobile game time waster gameplay they sure did make some perplexing choices and marketing statements for 6 fucking years.
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Posted byalhazred70#2994on Jan 4, 2025, 9:13:49 PM
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But yes, they need to tune everything to the current speed of our POE2 characters instead of our POE1 characters.
And keep the boring uninteresting spaghetti map with repetitive tile sets with everything slowed down too much and a very poorly designed evade mechanic? No thanks.
Those are part of the "tune everything."
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Posted byAssababud#2808on Jan 4, 2025, 9:14:20 PM
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