Why dedicate my time if I can lose all my XP with a death penalty?

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Valsacar#0268 wrote:

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sgtrhfd#1770 wrote:

Just remove death penalty for god's sake!

Even in this case you need to play 100500 maps to reach 100lvl.

Pro players will reach 100lvl and with penalty, but most of players - casuals...

This is not D4. Level 100 isn't a given, it is an achievement. Level 100 is not the start, it is the END of leveling. A couple passive points is not going to make or break an endgame build.

Casuals aren't intended to make it to level 100.

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Magoraz#6258 wrote:

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Valsacar#0268 wrote:

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sgtrhfd#1770 wrote:

Just remove death penalty for god's sake!

Even in this case you need to play 100500 maps to reach 100lvl.

Pro players will reach 100lvl and with penalty, but most of players - casuals...

This is not D4. Level 100 isn't a given, it is an achievement. Level 100 is not the start, it is the END of leveling. A couple passive points is not going to make or break an endgame build.

Casuals aren't intended to make it to level 100.

This is absolutely key.
Only a small amount of the player base will hit 100.
Only a small amount of the player base will hit 40 out of 40 challenges.
Only a small amount of the player base will beat +4 on any / all of Pinnacle Bosses.

Point three was expressed in different words a number of times by Jonathan Rogers. Pinnacle encounters and goals (level 100) is a MASSIVE achievement, never a given, never for a casual.

There are some POE 1 leagues that I play more casually, and don't manage to get close to 40 challenges or level 100. That is fine, I didn't play enough to achieve it.

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AngryGekko#0233 wrote:

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dwqrf#0717 wrote:

If dying in a video game is too much for you to handle, I can't imagine the pain and the sorrow you suffer from losing an online argument.

Oh boy, this is what you think, right? You think i 'lost' an argument with you?

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Magoraz#6258 wrote:

This is absolutely key.
Only a small amount of the player base will hit 100.
Only a small amount of the player base will hit 40 out of 40 challenges.
Only a small amount of the player base will beat +4 on any / all of Pinnacle Bosses.

Point three was expressed in different words a number of times by Jonathan Rogers. Pinnacle encounters and goals (level 100) is a MASSIVE achievement, never a given, never for a casual.

There are some POE 1 leagues that I play more casually, and don't manage to get close to 40 challenges or level 100. That is fine, I didn't play enough to achieve it.

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Magoraz#6258 wrote:

On a seperate note. POE 2 has 'opened' up the game to allow for wider audiences and a more casual player base. The unfortunate piece in all of this, all of the core end game pillars and systems are for dedicated grinders. GGG will likely make tweaks, such as the level XP curve from 90+, but at the end of the day it is going to take time and dedication to get to the end game systems.

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dwqrf#0717 wrote:

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Magoraz#6258 wrote:

On a seperate note. POE 2 has 'opened' up the game to allow for wider audiences and a more casual player base. The unfortunate piece in all of this, all of the core end game pillars and systems are for dedicated grinders. GGG will likely make tweaks, such as the level XP curve from 90+, but at the end of the day it is going to take time and dedication to get to the end game systems.

Unfortunately this isn't going to be a long-term game for everyone, and I am sorry if some of you were looking for a casual friendly ARPG that respected your time. If I am being honest, it is quite the opposite, the player is expected to interact with time-gated and time-syncing mechanics. There was no way you were achieving all the challenges in POE 1 without completing somewhere north of 600+ maps. This is a core pillar of this game, and the community of ARPG POE veterans absolutely FROTH IT.

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AngryGekko#0233 wrote:

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Magoraz#6258 wrote:

This is absolutely key.
Only a small amount of the player base will hit 100.
Only a small amount of the player base will hit 40 out of 40 challenges.
Only a small amount of the player base will beat +4 on any / all of Pinnacle Bosses.

Point three was expressed in different words a number of times by Jonathan Rogers. Pinnacle encounters and goals (level 100) is a MASSIVE achievement, never a given, never for a casual.

There are some POE 1 leagues that I play more casually, and don't manage to get close to 40 challenges or level 100. That is fine, I didn't play enough to achieve it.

Totally on your side. You sum it up really good. I think, nobody puts this in question.

If you die there are effectively working mechanics that slow down your progression. If you lose a map item and the spice on the atlas map, you will face shortage of maps on the long run, by not killing the bosses that drop the necessary maps.

You will be forced to run low tier maps to gain supply. There is no XP in clearing those maps to regain a level of self sustaining your maps. In my eyes, this is a very effective way in slowing down your progression caused by your deaths. If getting rid of xp loss, this map shortage could be worked on to hit harder.

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Suchka_777#4336 wrote:

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Magoraz#6258 wrote:

On a seperate note. POE 2 has 'opened' up the game to allow for wider audiences and a more casual player base.

Laughed when I've read it, because those wider audience is not who are complaining the most about PoE 2 not being as casual.

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Pizzarugi#6258 wrote:

I do not want to see a return to those dark days.