If you think the game is hard at any point even acts, please read this (Trading)

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I promise you if you take the time to read this, and apply it, your perception of the game will change drastically, from acts, to early maps, to endgame t15+1 corrupted maps if you were not trading before.


You've done poe2 newbs a big favor here, no doubt, and are to be credited for it, but...

this is how we play poe1 as well and let's face it, it's fundamentally the same game slowed down a few frames. Doesn't mean it's not fun because it is, there's just really nothing different here.
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Cajual#4575 wrote:
Congrats, you just discovered why SSF exists.

SSF is a handicap. The game is designed around the existence of trading. The piss poor drop rates, the horrible weights on rolls...its because you can trade. So by its very definition, SSF is a handicap.
You can be all "SSF FTW, I hate trading" but you're kidding your self. All you're doing is making the game 10x harder.
Until the day comes that they buff drops and weights in SSF mode, to account for no trading, SSF makes ZERO sense to play out side of a personal challenge to overcome.


Way to miss the point of my post entirely, lmao.

SSF exists because playing with trading is easy. You also seem to conflate handicap with challenge, but I assume that's because you have never been successful at it and denigrate things you don't understand.
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Last edited by Cajual#4575 on Dec 16, 2024, 9:08:20 AM
I'm completely new to all of this, and I have never traded anything. I thought you had to unlock your hideout before you could buy anything off another player. I take it that's not the case?

I've been trying to just play with what I loot/craft myself, but I'm pretty stuck. I guess it's time to see what I can buy off the market.
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The_Song#4903 wrote:

Players who were just playing the game, instead of spending their time trading first, are finding themselves underpowered, because the game was balanced around the gear traders will have, because it has to be balanced around traders.



it isnt tho, people say that in poe1 too, and its not true there either.


theyre playing the game self found when theyre making decisions, they just like the game to be hard. the game scales, its just numbers. you self find all ur gear has 60 life and you find T9 maps a challenge. you trade all your gear has 100 life and you find t15 maps a challenge. the game scales, number goes up, challenge goes up, both players are playing an intended balance state.

the only people playing a game that isnt balanced for them are people who are elite traders trading a lot, those people are able to make the game a joke where almost everything is easy mode.






a lot of people who trade want trading to be easier, we hear endlessly "trading sucks in poe why is there no auction house why isnt trade really quick and easy, why is it so hard?" and they devs have straight up told the community in the manifesto that the data they have shows most players dont trade and the minority who trade most of them only make a couple of trades. if they make trade really easy more people will trade and get more power from trading and that will force them to balance the game around trade, which they dont want to do.

the game is designed for the ability to trade to be a foundation of items feeling valuable to the hardcore community invested section of the player base, where a much higher % of the players are traders. but that doesnt mean the game is balanced around trade and you are being punished for not trading.

its designed around a trade environment, its not balanced around being a highly active trader.


its balance state is elastic and covers ssf through to mid tier trading. chris would encourage you to go SSF ruthless hardcore with a melee marauder, struggle to level 72, die in a T3 map and then go again. hes not playing "mirror tier bow ranger sc mf omg i made 2 mirrors today with my T16 div card farm strat bro!", that not what the game is balanced around, thats not how all the devs play.






they like the game hard. i like the game to be hard, im not trading in poe2. if people want an easier life then trade is there. but trade can go deep too, trade is where poe pvp really exists if you get deep into it. it becomes a game in itself and if you want to be good at trade, if u want to be the guy with mirrors in the bank thats a hard game to play.
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mkaito#1308 wrote:
I'm completely new to all of this, and I have never traded anything. I thought you had to unlock your hideout before you could buy anything off another player. I take it that's not the case?

I've been trying to just play with what I loot/craft myself, but I'm pretty stuck. I guess it's time to see what I can buy off the market.


Trade ettique in poe is just that the buyer comes to the seller, you can meet at any town if you dont have a hideout. If the seller is in a town you dont have a quest state for they usually figure out but you can just tell them once you get the message. You just click on the button on their portrait in the party frame in the top left to teleport to their location.
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Cajual#4575 wrote:
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Cajual#4575 wrote:
Congrats, you just discovered why SSF exists.

SSF is a handicap. The game is designed around the existence of trading. The piss poor drop rates, the horrible weights on rolls...its because you can trade. So by its very definition, SSF is a handicap.
You can be all "SSF FTW, I hate trading" but you're kidding your self. All you're doing is making the game 10x harder.
Until the day comes that they buff drops and weights in SSF mode, to account for no trading, SSF makes ZERO sense to play out side of a personal challenge to overcome.


Way to miss the point of my post entirely, lmao.

SSF exists because playing with trading is easy. You also seem to conflate handicap with challenge, but I assume that's because you have never been successful at it and denigrate things you don't understand.


I wouldnt even say trading makes the game easy in this current state of things.

My character did not feel strong at all till capped ele res + capped chaos res, 4k ES and 50% block. That was the point where I finally felt like I wasnt getting 1 shot by nearly everything.

That is a TALL order for ssf with -80% res we get in this game vs poe1. You would think no negative chaos res would make it easier, but they took that decision as an OK to make chaos dmg much more freq in maps. Because we dont get any life on tree having good dedense rolls on gear is 100% mandatory further making good gesr harder to come by.

The fact kripp went armor/str stacking in ssf on witch probably because all the es gear he was finding was trash, and still saying he is getting one shot says alot. Im at 6k ES now, ive been one shot 1 time in the past 2 days between 12 hours of mapping and that was a delerious t15 boss.

Way too much power gated behind gear with how the game is now.
Last edited by BossOfThisGym#2062 on Dec 16, 2024, 1:45:33 PM
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arpgaddict#1346 wrote:
Just replied in another thread.

Trading shouldn't be what makes the game better for you. end of story.

The items in this game are boring and lame.

The power fantasy of this game is not good enough to care about having good gear.

Trade does not make up for awful game design and game in general

idk. just posting. idgaf enough anymore to post more than this


Theres not many uniques that are worth using, and any that are are gated behind a grind you can even start untik t15 maps.

They also made rare weapons way too strong. +4 on 1hand and +7 to gem levels on 2h weapons was probably a big mistake.

Any unique weapon that is for a build that scales well off gem level has to have that mod or it is trash.

Im seeing high level unique staffs that are worse than 1ex magic items with + level to spells. Not even slightly worse, but significanfly worse.

If i wanted to use the unique ring to save a slot on an ignite build it would cost me 200ex to fix my current gear to cap res and slot that in.

Same thing if I drop my shield for a staff, and to do both would require 100% total res + on a ring and amulet with the other non res rolls I need.

Absolute insane amount of pressure on mod slots in this game, so even if there is a good unique, you are taxed heavily to use it.
Last edited by BossOfThisGym#2062 on Dec 16, 2024, 1:54:43 PM
Console here....

Trading is a joke, I'm NOT GOING TO open a browser window on my system to trade, for gear that is exactly what I can craft/drop myself in game if RNG/LUCK allows it...

Looked at that site via comp @ work....

It's all TRASH, nothing is better than the shit I've sold to the vendor...

Messed up stats, dead stats, and just a waste of time, especially when you're forced outside of the game to do it...


SSF is the only way to go....

Sorry...

And yes, this game is hard as F...

When you die over n over because EVERY boss 1 shots you the second you miss a "roll" or hell, one boss had triple spin attacks, he always hit me mid roll and I died...

Trials are pure trash...

And who ever thought up the 10 Levels of "horde" mode while you're forced to take on every level some anti beat it trait/augment/aura is sadistic...

Only, IMO, sadist can beat that content....

45 and got owned the first floor....

Not even gonna attempt it again, it's a dead feature in game to me....

GGG needs to decide what they want for the game...

I'm seeing Diablo 2, half assed Diablo 4 crafting, Souls bossing, and maps so f'ng large you get bored clearing them....

Think this is a huge miss...
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Looked at that site via comp @ work....

It's all TRASH, nothing is better than the shit I've sold to the vendor...

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Id wager that for only 5 ex i could make your character deal 2x the dps and be 3x tankier than you are now.

I think you just looked for an item and didnt even bother with filters.

And im also guessing you are playing self imposed ssf, not actual ssf league where playing that way actually means anything in terms of achievement for said challenge
Last edited by BossOfThisGym#2062 on Dec 16, 2024, 4:53:23 PM
I refuse to trade for now and prefer to suffer tremendously

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