Why POE2’s Direction Is Worrying for Veterans and Newcomers Alike
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I agree on some of your points, mainly that POE2 feels like it is still searching for its core game mechanics.
Its a little bit of Demon Souls, a little bit of D2R, and in the process it has lost its own identity; which imo was Skill Gems on gear - sure there where issues with that, that needs to be addressed. But what stays is a game that feels like Star Wars 9 - to much influence from to many sites. +1 on your main point to return to a "Core idea" / own identity for POE |
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Just wanted to add my voice to the many that agree with you.
People whom I've known to hate on poe1 for it's ''fast game that you one-shot mobs'' have played the campaign, reached yellow maps then dropped the game after 35 hours and are left feeling like, ''this is poe 1.5'' with even more complaints about pacing, one-shots and nothing to do but kill mobs. I've put my good 150 hours in, I've tried both melee and ranged playstyles, looking at the tree, looking at the ascedancies available now and the gameplay loop, the mechanis of crafting, all I got was this would be a hit game, for the people who touch a game once and never again. But this is not that game, poe1 was not that game, the people who were the fire of poe1 poe1 were not people who touched a game for a mere 20 hours and left. They were people who gladly did the same thing for 1000 hours. And the worst of all, is that poe1 changed to the style of poe2 over the years, making it a worse game and too similar to what poe2 is envisioned to be. If poe2 is to shape poe1, then why keep the lights on the first game and to the people who were with you till this point? |
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" That's BS. Having the option to skip campaign on second/third/hundredth character did not ruin the games. WoW also lets you pick whichever campaign you like more (so you can level 1-60 in Northrend if you liked WotLK more than other expansions for example) or you can ignore questing altogether and just spam dungeons from 10 to max level. WoW is still the most successful MMO in the market. And I don't see it changing any time soon. D4 is one of the biggest ARPGs ever (you can call it a failure as much as you want but they still sold more than 10x amount of copies than poe 2 EA, and companies care about making money more than making universally-loved games, that's simple reality of business). Yes, the game has its own problems but none of them are related to campaign being skippable on alts. I bet that if PoE2 had an option of leveling through tier0 waystones which would scale with player's level 1-60, a lot of players would use that option. |
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In my own experience and preference I find that I feel no sense of creativity or satisfaction in theorycrafting. My lightning monk ended up just being storm wave with electrocution support, resonance and combat frenzy to generate power charges and falling thunder to spend them. That's it by a process of elimination I ended with a Poe1 style two button build. None of the crazy clear speed of the YouTubers, but it was still the most efficient version of that build and the most boring.
The more I try to experiment or research the more guardrails I hit, or end up with a build that requires too much set up and therefore isn't viable in the late endgame. In spite of trying to make a more methodical combat system they've created the exact same meta, but much worse since most of it's predecessors creativity is just gone. Yeah Poe1 builds where a bit chaotic but at least the options for automation made them creative. Apply curses with other skills, tones of spell trigger options, virtually any skill on a totem. I absolutely understand the desire to move to the new combat philosophy, I wanted that too at first, but if the price for that is losing all sense of creativity, I'd rather just have poe1 with some of the improvements and convenience of Poe2. It's not that I don't like the idea of Poe2, I just don't think it's going work. Also it's going painful to build anything half decent right now. Nerf bat will be swinging all over the place next month. |
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Campaign skippers and boost buyers are 1 and the same. Wrath & TBC were both trash btw. They removed focus from the world and placed in on WC3 heroes.
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+1
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" I completely agree! " Agree. The difficulty existed in PoE1, in PoE2 it's frustration, not difficulty. In PoE1 you had to consider your skills, resistances, flasks, passive points etc in order to progress. The flasks especially added a depth that made it interesting. Heck, even such thing as grabbing a cold res ring in act1 was a thing. In PoE2 it's a repetitive grind. " I really don't understand why they removed the utility flasks, they added such nice depth and allowed people to customise their buiilds more. Flasks could be used to cover holes in a build, yet still require you to keep an eye on the flask charges. The current life and mana flasks are kinda pointless in PoE2 for spell casters anyway, because they're usually CI with EB and MoM, so flasks won't make any difference anyways. " Hilarious indeed. The depth and (optional) complexity in PoE1 is what I love about the game and in PoE2 they've just completely removed all of it and replaced it with repetitive grind. In PoE1 you could use your brain, get good and craft things. In PoE2 it's just dumb left clicks. Come on! What is this? " Personalyl I find the loot fairly alright, maybe rares and jewelleries should be boosted in the campaign beacuse now they're really sparse. " This new skill tree is a joke. It's just a bunch of travel nodes and no complexity or depth at all. You're basically forced to take certain nodes or your build will be useless. The options are limited because either a node is very good or it's useless. Masteries do need to come back, they addded that "chase", you need to have some stronger nodes that can create versatility in builds. " I absolutely hate this new gem system. It blows having to loot uncut gems, why do I need to fill my stash with uncut gems? Why can I not level my gems past the area level? Why can I not use multiple supports of the same type? Why am I forced to grind for a jewellers in order to socket a gem only to later realise I want to change skill and have to redo this grind? Give me back sockets on equipment! Corrupted gear with 6L was a cool thing in PoE1, I loved it. Even leveling gems in simulacrum or 5-ways was a fun aspect because you could make currency in other ways than just mapping. " Holy crap, yes. I made 2 characters past the campaign, I refuse to do it again. This is horrible. I don't even like the campaign, I just find it messy, unstructred and boring. The quest log don't even properly guide me on where to go, it's confusing and tedious. " This has to be a bug, of course we should be able to change ascendancies. I don't understand why they would remove thid. Regarding Sanctum and Ultimatum .. No idea why they did this, I can only assume it was a missclick by a dev. No sane person would force people to do sanctum or ultimatum considering they wanted to make "labs" less tedious. You don't make the ascendency less tedious by replacing it with something worse. " I completely agree. The only reason I played so much PoE2 is because of my love of PoE1. Otherwise there's no way in hell I would've sticked around this long. I want to like it, but so far I can't. It has a lot of potential, but the direction is completely off. As it is right now, I enjoy PoE1 a lot more than PoE2. There's just so much more depth in PoE1, PoE2 has no depth, the only thing PoE2 has over PoE1 is the larger player base because of the new-game-hype. |
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" Tell me, what did you do? Throw transmutation orb at the white items in your inventory and then sold it to vendor because it was trash? " I read them. " You are comparing a fresh new game with very big hype to a 10 year old game. " Recombinators were one league and are not part of the core game. Stop talking about it because it's completely irrelevant. But if you really want, then remember you actually have recombination in PoE2. " Crafting in PoE1 was always optional. A lot of players just bought whatever they needed. Have you even played PoE1 before? |
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Everything that comes from 1 to 2, for me, is a downgrade.
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" The whole game came from poe1 .... |
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