Need a value addon

I don't trade much because I don't trade much.
That means, I cba wasting my time lurking around the market with pen and paper and writing down whatever something is worth... therefor I don't know what value something has and rather hold on to it than sell it too cheap.

Trading sucks because:

"How much want for it?"
-"Well how much you are you offering...?"
"Wellh ow much want for it?"
-"Well how much you are you offering...?"
"Well how much want for it?"
-"Well how much you are you offering...?"
"Maaaaan fuck dis shiiiiid......"

Now I'm trying to sort my inventory, cleaning up my stash, and got 2 full tabs of gems which I don't know are worth keeping. And no thank you, I don't want personal opinions over how much you would or would not pay for X gem, but a reliable index based on bigger statistics.

So, while waiting for a auction house type of system to show up to burn this cancer called trade spam from the face of Wraeclast, I'd like to know if there's any addon or site out there with listed values for all type of gems.

Can't wait for the day that the AH comes and let's us trade what we want and when we want...

Diablo 3 gold value.

this is not trading simulator

if you WTB some gem/item you NEED its not a problem, you pay what you think its worth for you

if you want to become "rich" via trading then you gonna have hard (and boring/annoying) time. Its possible but not intended playstyle

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Ludvator wrote:

this is not trading simulator

if you WTB some gem/item you NEED its not a problem, you pay what you think its worth for you

if you want to become "rich" via trading then you gonna have hard (and boring/annoying) time. Its possible but not intended playstyle

Wrong.
The matrix is running in the background with all the data.
There already is a auction house in Poe, but it is in a "natural, more flexible and social form".

People who trade a lot and have the trade chat open (unlike me, because it is annoying as fuck),
have a pretty good grasp of how much something is worth, which items are wanted, and for what they are traded for.

Nobody has ever bought a chaos orb for 2 alt or 3 chromes because "that's what he felt it was worth for him". Everyone knows the value of their items to some extend.
Adding a auction house wouldn't change anything to the worse, instead it would give us, those who cba to scan the trade chat 24/7, a reliable printed text version of "the word on the street", which represents the unwritten numbers within the Poe trade business.

Vendors dictate the base value of orbs.
Anyone trying to make a deal breaking those rules will fail.
You can't sell anyone a alch for 2 regrets, because Clarissa will sell you one for one!
And a regret costs 2 scourings and a scouring 4 chances etc. The bar is set! The corner pieces are in place!

So based on that, we already have a sort of currency; the popular orbs.
Alts, chromes, fusings, alch, chaos, gcp and exalted orbs are the copper, silver and gold coins of Poe!

If there was a auction house with a drop menu to select bid/buyout/sell values as orbs instead of typing numbers for gold, the economy of Poe would slowly grow steady after a while and settle around three main orbs as low/mid/high value currency, the same way copper/silver/gold coins are in ratio with each other.

And how would that ruin the game in any way? How?
It wouldn't. The only difference between now and then is that now it is troublesome as fuck to find out the value of something. It takes too much time to ask several people how much would they pay, and what the worth of a item/gem would be.

The current system is nothing but a gigantic pain in the ass.
It is time consuming, slow, boring, tedious, unpractical and inefficient.
How many deals are blown each day because the buyer and seller are never online at the same time? Jesus christ get on the with auction house/ trading post already and burn this mother to the ground... that's all I got to say about Trade spam.

soo even tho 90 % of D3 players who left did it cuz the game was literally the AH u want it to be implemented in PoE and screw a unique trade system for a easier one which made people leave.Well that seems ok to me :D

Edit : i love the trading system because it is hard and kinda complicated , with some will and brain u can earn a lot without even farming countless hours .I assure u will win a lot more with some trading skill in a hour than farming 10 hours.Ofc to do this u have to know the market, the demands and the offers of the moment( U have to be a guy like me who spent 10 hours 2 days ago just trading :D).Still i doubt many players can understand the value of such a wonderful system since they just want to kill stuff...

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Elemenz wrote:

And how would that ruin the game in any way? How?
It wouldn't. The only difference between now and then is that now it is troublesome as fuck to find out the value of something. It takes too much time to ask several people how much would they pay, and what the worth of a item/gem would be.

The current system is nothing but a gigantic pain in the ass.
It is time consuming, slow, boring, tedious, unpractical and inefficient.
How many deals are blown each day because the buyer and seller are never online at the same time? Jesus christ get on the with auction house/ trading post already and burn this mother to the ground... that's all I got to say about Trade spam.

Maybe I am old-fashioned gamer, but I like current "pain-in-the-ass" system. IN MY OPINION easy accessible user friendly AH system would turn this game into trading simulator like D3, where:

* playing AH is the most efficient way to become "rich" (and we all know players tend to do what is most efficient no matter how boring it is)

* anybody can buy good (not best) items for almost nothing, which leads to frustration, because compared to AH items and prices it seems like nothing valuable drops

* player tend to campare their drops with best items on realm (first 2 pages of AH), which leads to frustration and "increase drop rates" rage

trading in general is big shortcut in ARPG, I personally think I ruined my own fun with D3 by using AH.

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Ludvator wrote:

Maybe I am old-fashioned gamer, but I like current "pain-in-the-ass" system. IN MY OPINION easy accessible user friendly AH system would turn this game into trading simulator like D3, where:

* playing AH is the most efficient way to become "rich" (and we all know players tend to do what is most efficient no matter how boring it is)

First off, people are hustling now because there are no rules in this street market.
Those who know prices based on their long term trading experience are getting rich by ripping off illinformed casual players. Buying out low, selling high, because the sellers don't know any better, because there is no AH !

Secondly, the AH doesn't need to be played. Trade chat however does. You need to know when people are online, what type of players they are, what they are looking for, have timing with your messages and make them attractive and stick out while at the same avoid getting spam muted. THAT is playing the trade game.

The AH would mean you type in the values and select item categories, browse 5-10 minutes for what you need or want and can afford, buy it or don't and go back to playing the game.
THAT is practical, fast, easy, efficient. No hustle or eyeballing chat spam for hours.

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Ludvator wrote:

* anybody can buy good (not best) items for almost nothing, which leads to frustration, because compared to AH items and prices it seems like nothing valuable drops

This is a pure D3 whine which can't be transfered into Poe because of several issues:

-Poe doesn't have gold, and the value isn't even displayed as tooltip.
You can't farm money by just picking up anything with a value over 1-2k and then vend it, like in D3.

-There are a ton of more build combos in Poe which require different stats and gear requirements. D3 only had vitality + your main dmg stat str/dex/int. Stack that and you won.
Doesn't work in Poe fyi.

-The need to reroll in Poe is much higher than in D3, even in default/soft.
In D3 soft there was no need to ever reroll a char. No skill points, your toon was always open for full reskilling.
The D3 market for low/mid items is close to none, nobody needs any items to reroll a char because once you have one of each class you are done and all the items that drop and are not top of the cream best possible ilvl63, you vendor them, if you even bother picking them up at all.

-The D3 system has its gear heavy point on the prime stats, and combined with the always-open skill design, turns the game into a farming quest for perfection, where only the best possible rolls are wanted. 99% of all found items got ignored/vendored as useless. Not in Poe.
You can't combine any gear stats in D3 like in Poe, there's no diversity, even though Poe still does have the "life is king" issue it's still better on that matter.

So it's really foolish to compare 2 totally different games and demonize a AH system, just because it ruined D3 by having everyone "play it wallstreet style" to get to the top.
That wouldn't happen in Poe.

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Ludvator wrote:

* player tend to campare their drops with best items on realm (first 2 pages of AH), which leads to frustration and "increase drop rates" rage

trading in general is big shortcut in ARPG, I personally think I ruined my own fun with D3 by using AH.

Mainly the same answer I wrote above this part about the AH.

And when it comes to RNG and getting lucky, people in Poe aren't complaining above drop rates at all. Plenty of good rares and uniques drop. The RNG problem in Poe is about not getting the right amount of links when crafting.

D3 needed only 1 good drop and you had 500 mill gold, or, you could have bought the gold with real cash of course... then you could buy all the gems and other gear to make your char a immortal 10 mill dmg machine. There will (hopefully) never be a real money AH for Poe, so have no fear about a pay2win scenario.

So if you get lucky in Poe with something like a 6L after 300 fusings,
you still need to work on getting the rest of your gear, the right gems and maxing out their quality, and the whole map business...



There is so much more to Poe than to D3, and this is why we need a AH, to make faster trading possible and more practical.

It sounds like you are fed up with the rest of shopping in Wraeclast. Who can blame you? It is a wasteland of trading out there, Exile. However, it is time for you to be exiled to SAVINGS!.
Shop at Clive's Junk Pile and we tell you exactly what an item will cost the moment you ask! No games! Our prices are so low that you'll think we are insane.
http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/172084/page/1

OP, the trading is as the dev's planned, a barter system. Having an AH system or even any in-game valuation would remove any chance of a barter occurring.

Even putting a value on anything in this game is hard due to various build requirements etc and how much the seller/buyer needs or wants different types of currency orb i.e buying something off someone who needs Chaos orbs with Chaos orbs will usually make for a cheaper trade than paying with other orbs.


As Clive has so perfectly demonstrated there is an option for people who don't like the trade chat/barter system; the Selling/Buying forums. Here you can find whatever goods you're looking for, or sell your own wares without either party being online at the same time until the actual trade takes place... and with the indexing sites currently available there's no need to trawl through the 1000's of posts. Win-win situation if you ask me, all without changing/breaking the current trade system.

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It sounds like you are fed up with the rest of shopping in Wraeclast. Who can blame you? It is a wasteland of trading out there, Exile. However, it is time for you to be exiled to SAVINGS!.
Shop at Clive's Junk Pile and we tell you exactly what an item will cost the moment you ask! No games! Our prices are so low that you'll think we are insane.

Wow thanks for this thread :D (I'll quote you eachtime I see a "community is shit" thread now)

Besides that once again I don't understand OP:

-Everywhere I read about POE it clearly says 'cut-throat', 'long term time investment', 'economy based' 'beta' etc

*cut-throat* : the game is INSANLY HARD because the longer you need to make a perfect/complete char (with the godly gear) the longer you gonna play (if you accept the core features), and the full-RNG can be (very very often?) unrewarding.

*long-term time investment* : like previous point, you want to reach that godly char, ok go grind for a year or something. You don't ? You can't ? Well go try some fun builds in SC, go in races, etc etc. You can do other things than 'grinding your main to the top'

*economy based* : As it is a core feature, you can play without trading, but you will earn items/currency slower than a guy who takes part of the market economy. And yes as all market there is no fixed prices, and basically no rules, if you want something and you are affraid about offering too much ? Well if you use trade chat a lot you should see price trends, and also go check trading forums and look at what price similar items have been sold.

*beta* : A lot of things can be bad for you AT THE MOMENT, but a new act is announced, a lot of changes/improvment will appear, already loot options will come to adapt to more and more players. So I won't tell you "GTFO you didn't like the game go away", just make a break there is far more 50% chances that this beta game will be better for you in the next months.