T17s are still an overtuned mess that are also annoying to roll

Like I said I just want these maps to be actually optional and not have busted loot exploits like the exiles and meatsacks from necropolis. Sanctum is an example of a mechanic that only some builds can do sure, but it isn't the biggest source of gold or raw loot/scarabs in the game. It's just 2-4 divines per run if you're lucky and know how to use relics(maybe some chisels too since their droprate got nerfed into the ground), but it's still optional side-content like delve,heist etc.

T17s dominate the economy way too much, and as others said the whole gold issue makes it even worse this league.

If T17s weren't this insanely rewarding and were just some optional content only for players that wanna do uber bosses, I wouldn't care. But it's become a clownshow of loot explosions, I don't care if its fomo. It's still bad for the game.

And the map mods affecting the bosses in stupid ways is just the cherry on top, making these maps even more annoying to run. Not to mention the "rolling" aka deleting your chaos orbs for no reason.

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Toforto wrote:

Like I said I just want these maps to be actually optional

They are optional. Your fomo however seems to be exclusive. You can make mad currency in T16 just fine - or maybe, just maybe, play a better build if you perceive T17s as "busted" and "mandatory".

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Ulsarek wrote:

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Toforto wrote:

Like I said I just want these maps to be actually optional

They are optional. Your fomo however seems to be exclusive. You can make mad currency in T16 just fine - or maybe, just maybe, play a better build if you perceive T17s as "busted" and "mandatory".

No, they are not optional. The fact that so many broken currency strats exist in t17s proves that. It's not about a person's build or skill, it takes no skill to just copy paste a meta build with every defence imaginable in the game so you can facetank everything and grind for a week to be able to faceroll these maps.

The problem is these maps, not people's builds or skill. All I can do is keep giving my feedback about these clearly broken maps, and if they're still just as bad next league then imma sell them all in bulk lol

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Toforto wrote:

The fact that so many broken currency strats exist in t17s proves that.

Could you link one of those broken strats? I unironically am looking for a good strategy as nothing stood out this league. It's all in 30-40d/hour range.

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Scarletsword wrote:

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Toforto wrote:

The fact that so many broken currency strats exist in t17s proves that.

Could you link one of those broken strats? I unironically am looking for a good strategy as nothing stood out this league. It's all in 30-40d/hour range.

30 divines an hour is already an insanely high amount of currency though? I'm lucky if I make 10 divines in a few hours playing in the afternoon just doing t16 alch n go with strongboxes lol(and most are just raw x2 divine drops from arcanist boxes, or valdo puzzle boxes that I open and pray for nimis/mageblood map), and that's including vendoring every scarab I possibly can then selling expensive scarbs with faustus at self-scam prices. I ain't ever making 30 divines in an hour in tier 16 maps though lol, that disparity right there is the problem.

Just look at streamers doing titanic exile reward icons, they print t0 uniques like its nothing. I have no idea where to find clips or anything, but a lot of insane strats that require insanely tanky and high-dps builds exist. They all just exploit stuff like rogue exiles,possessed exiles with specific scarabs and so on.

T16 alc and go isn't as profitable as a dedicated, high investment strat? And you're doing even better using a well made build while pursuing these specialized strategies? My, what a shocking concept. It's almost like this has always been the case, even before T17s were introduced.

Are you a new player? Or do I just call skill issue? Also in what world is 30d/h an insanely high amount of currency, lol? That's pretty mid in the current state of the game, not including T17s, even more so when currency exchange is a thing.

Nah, I'll just call fomo and lack of knowledge - but blaming it on content you're not good enough yet for, for months, clearly is easier.

This is a T16 strategy I posted yesterday which gets surprisingly close with my rather slow build and I'm asking for a broken strategy because I'm fully aware that there are none compared to the last 3 leagues.

The pandemonium strategy for T0s or currency you're referencing also doesn't go past 30-40d. They're all in that range and none of them are "broken". They're in line with difficulty scaling, gear requirements and upfront investment.

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Ulsarek wrote:

T16 alc and go isn't as profitable as a dedicated, high investment strat? And you're doing even better using a well made build while pursuing these specialized strategies? My, what a shocking concept. It's almost like this has always been the case, even before T17s were introduced.

Are you a new player? Or do I just call skill issue? Also in what world is 30d/h an insanely high amount of currency, lol? That's pretty mid in the current state of the game, not including T17s, even more so when currency exchange is a thing.

Nah, I'll just call fomo and lack of knowledge - but blaming it on content you're not good enough yet for, for months, clearly is easier.

30 divines is a lot of currency for the majority of the playerbase, that's like almost a mirror in 10 hours. Most people never make a mirror in an entire league. Usually I make like 100 divines during my entire playtime in a league(most of the time its less since I just stop playing after 40/40, that's the entire reason I play any league for free mtx lol), this league is the only exception because of shipping printing mirror shards, and if I'm not gonna get bored to death I could do sanctum up to lvl100 to get a lot of divines too.

There is no skill issue here. There's no such thing as being good enough to do tier 17 maps, because their design is unfair and unbalanced and overtuned. And fomo is a normal thing to feel when the top 0.1% get to make insanely more currency while the average player gets left behind.

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Scarletsword wrote:

Twist of Fate Conquerer - 5sets

Investment:


Return:


Atlas:


https://poeplanner.com/a/OWd
Alternatively replace scarab nodes with shrines+mining byproducts or deli mirrors.

Loot:


Scarabs: 1x Escalation, 1x Conversion 3x Risk

This is a T16 strategy I posted yesterday which gets surprisingly close with my rather slow build and I'm asking for a broken strategy because I'm fully aware that there are none compared to the last 3 leagues.

The pandemonium strategy for T0s or currency you're referencing also doesn't go past 30-40d. They're all in that range and none of them are "broken". They're in line with difficulty scaling, gear requirements and upfront investment.

I may have almost 6k hours in this game but I still consider myself a casual.
I refuse to use 3rd party tools like this, and sell every bit of random currency/fragments I get just to do some kind of strat that's advertised as X divines per hour. Divines per hour is subjective anyway, a map could take me between 5 and 30 minutes. I also just wanna keep any conqueror maps for myself in case I wanna run them, or run Sirus for awakener orbs to sell for a few divines.

The only things I sell are scarabs with faustus, and only because he exists now. Before this patch literally all my currency,scarabs,fossils all of it would just sit in my stash forever. This league I had over 200 guardian maps in my tab and I just gave them away to a friend when I stopped playing. I'm not the kind of player to min-max and play trade website all day, the only things I would sell are orbs of fusing and chromatic orbs for chaos then turn the chaos to divines by whispering 100 afk people lol. I even do chaos recipe at leaguestart if I'm really desperate for some chaos to buy my gear, but thanks to faustus I may never have to use that vendor recipe again since I can just sell off all my scarabs and eldritch currency.

I also have no clue how to pricecheck any rare item at all, I either put an arbitrary price on it and pray it sells or just slap them in my public tab and maybe someone whispers and offers me a price. Usually those unpriced items stay there all league, eventually getting vendored to make space for other items.


I just wanna run some maps and get some chaos and divines lol, all this micromanagement and playing a game within a game is waaaaaaayy too much effort for me, I just alch and corrupt t16 mesas and throw in some ambush scarabs with red influence all day.

Calculating the worth of entire stash tabs and selling who knows how many different currencies,items and maps in bulk is the last thing I'd do in this game, I would rather uninstall.

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Toforto wrote:

30 divines is a lot of currency for the majority of the playerbase, that's like almost a mirror in 10 hours.

Avg. mirror prices this league so far was ~670d and is currently sitting at 970d. They're certainly not 300d.

https://poe.ninja/economy/settlers/currency/mirror-of-kalandra

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Toforto wrote:

I just alch and corrupt t16 mesas and throw in some ambush scarabs with red influence all day..

Right, you're comparing low-end T16s to the high-end minmaxed T17s.

I've said it before, I'll say it again - the only mistake with T17s the naming. They should've had an RP name like "astral prison maps" and not a single one of these threads would exist.