Supporter Uniques and div cards should exist in POE2 in some form

For sure its gonna be a different game etc so the items cant exist the way they did.

but i believe GGG owes these supporters to see their items exist in poe 2.

why am i bringing this up?

a lot of people including myself dedicated a lot of time and effort in game as well as IRL (by buying supporter packs) with the idea that we are supporting the game we love "POE" which was built on chris's philosophy of making a game to be played forever.

unlike every other known game in the market, POE is the first game that i know of that sold the idea that the game could be played forever. this idea was cemented in 2014 in the first exilecon. i threw a lot of money at GGG because i was hyped. i knew that every mtx i own could be used in poe2, poe3, poe4. i knew that all my efforts i put into standard would just accumulate and i would have a wealth of in game items that i could use till the end of time.

i use the word knew because i had full faith in GGG that they would not waver away from what they announced in the first exilecon. i had ZERO doubt that they would deliver what was promised.

but the silver lining is that once poe2 drops, i still can use all my old mtx.

i have no div cards nor do i have any uniques attributed to me.

but i imagine i would be at the very least annoyed if i threw a buttload of cash at GGG to create a unique item thinking it would leave a lasting mark in POE only to have it becoming a forgotten relic, only available in POE1.

i understand that despite the money being a big amount for us the gamer, its is actually might not be enough to cover the costs of working together with the supporter to actually make the item. and i understand that to make a version in poe2 would require rebalancing what not.

i would think it would be a good way to remember the supporter's for their contribution and let their contributions live on in the new game.

i think the supporters wouldnt mind if the name of the item needed to be changed a little or if ggg changed the functionality of the item altogether without consulting the supporter. as long as its in a respectable manner, i think its a good way to remember the past.

as for div cards. thats on ggg to figure things out. apparently one of my in game friends designed a div card which currently is disabled. its been disabled for quite a long time now (reward tied to prophecy league content).

in a sense, if GGG chooses to just let things be the way they are, its a "breach of promise". where the idea was players paid money to create a div card which could help them farm whatever they liked in the game. but with the item removed from the game the card loses its purpose. is ggg even going to attempt to refund all these supporters? i believe not.

PoE 2 is a new, separate game. No purchases for PoE 1 should have ever been expected to be there forever on all future potential games, that's ridiculous.

No matter how much money it may have cost.

People opted to buy these items knowing full well that said items can become obsolete at any time, and would DEFINITELY be obsolete in any future GGG games.

And if they expected anything else, they clearly didn't read the fine print nor did they put any amount of thought behind what they were purchasing.


Plus...their purchases have lasted indelibly for over a decade with no competition (assuming they bought early). And will continue to exist within the environment they purchased it for. This is more than most can say about any digital purchase...

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jsuslak313 wrote:

PoE 2 is a new, separate game. No purchases for PoE 1 should have ever been expected to be there forever on all future potential games, that's ridiculous.

if you're talking based on every other game ever to exist right now i agree. the premise does seem ridiculous.

POE is kinda different tho. their original intention was to keep adding things onto the game. this is what was communicated in the first exilecon. they could have announced poe2 being separate way back then but they didn't.

why? because it was intentional. they did not want poe2 to be separate. they wanted poe2 to be additional content on top of poe1 as a feature. they even highlighted this feature various times.

POE2 being a new and separate game is more out of the devs realizing poe 1 was beyond "saving".

if POE2 works out, i believe we will no longer see any "major expansions" for poe2. instead they would release the major expansions as how they originally intended POE2 to work for POE1. where they would keep all the major features for POE2 then bundle it all up into POE3. POE4,5,6 etc all would follow the same formula where all of them keep adding onto the base game of POE2.

i believe that POE 2 will be the base game for all POE releases going forward.

and as such, carrying on the legacy from POE1 is important.

this precedent was set into motion back in the first exilecon in how they announced POE2. it just didnt work out with poe1. poe2 would be different.

in fact i think one day poe1 and poe2 would be renamed something different to separate the 2 games. one being GGG's fun experiment that is still loved by many, and the second would be POE proper. the game they actually wanted to make.

1. But you don't know that poe1 will not in fact be a forever game and your wasted dollars can be memorialized indefinitely in poe1 even if it does get less support. poe1 was the forever promise you perceived, correct?

2. As pointed out, poe2 is not going to be a direct extension for 1 even though it may have been initially touted as such. separate games

3. Define "forever game" in human terms: as long you live? As long as GGG lives? Until GGG gets bought out (oops already happened - your contract has changed)?

4. Chris Wilson does not live here anymore.

5. "Forever" - really?

Hard disagree.

Divination cards should not be in PoE2, at all, in any form.

Hell to the no.

We already have a thread about this anyway.

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exsea wrote:

For sure its gonna be a different game etc so the items cant exist the way they did.

but i believe GGG owes these supporters to see their items exist in poe 2.

GGG doesn't owe these supporters shit. They already got what they paid for. New game, clean slate and less bloat that doesn't fit the new game.

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Glorfndel01 wrote:

1. But you don't know that poe1 will not in fact be a forever game and your wasted dollars can be memorialized indefinitely in poe1 even if it does get less support. poe1 was the forever promise you perceived, correct?

2. As pointed out, poe2 is not going to be a direct extension for 1 even though it may have been initially touted as such. separate games

3. Define "forever game" in human terms: as long you live? As long as GGG lives? Until GGG gets bought out (oops already happened - your contract has changed)?

4. Chris Wilson does not live here anymore.

5. "Forever" - really?

technically its impossible, but that was the term that chris used in his gdc talk. ggg designed poe to be played forever.

ggg was bought out yeap, but the people at the helm are still ggg.

i would say forever game depends on the "POE" franchise. POE1 was supposed to be the forever game. but could not. POE2 would thus replace poe1 as the forever game.

if poe2 dies. then thats the end of it. if poe3 comes out and is separate from poe2 then thats also the end of it.

if poe3 would layer itself on top of poe2 the same way poe2 was supposed to layer itself ontop of poe1, that would be the forever game.

i kinda find myself frustrated seeing people take forever so literally but i guess its poe forums so i shouldnt be surprised.

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ARealLifeCaribbeanPirate wrote:

Hard disagree.

Divination cards should not be in PoE2, at all, in any form.

actually thats a fair assessment. tho ggg could sprinkle the card names or references into poe2 lore or item descriptions. would be a nice gesture.

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Ulsarek wrote:

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exsea wrote:

For sure its gonna be a different game etc so the items cant exist the way they did.

but i believe GGG owes these supporters to see their items exist in poe 2.

GGG doesn't owe these supporters shit. They already got what they paid for. New game, clean slate and less bloat that doesn't fit the new game.

i would say GGG isnt obligated to do more than what they have already done. but i would say GGG's success is owed to their supporters. i m not saying ggg has to pay back or anything. i m just suggesting a way to keep the supporters in memory.

and if we're talking about getting what we paid for, i spent a lot of money supporting ggg with the idea that my money would fund poe1's development via poe2.

i actually have learned to accept that separating the games is the best option but GGG chose to keep quiet about this decision for an unknown amount of time.

omission of information can be viewed as dishonesty. they let the players believe that things were still going as planned when it was not.

had i have known earlier at the very least i wouldnt be as salty as i am about being kept in the dark. its reasonable to assume they did not want players to know so players like me would spend more money supporting the game. standard players like me thinking poe2 would still be part of poe1 would continue playing poe1 thinking all our effort would pay off when poe2 hit. we help bolster the numbers.

i cant expect my money to be refunded. and my time and effort playing the game with the idea i would get to use all my loot in poe2 is wasted too.

all that happened because i trusted ggg would have my/players like me best interest in view.

nah its my fault for trusting ggg.

there definitely are things that GGG fulfilled their promises on but there are things that they didnt.

Stopped reading after the omission of information part. You make it sound like GGG deliberately held back them wanting to separate the games to farm more supporter packs. Don't be ridiculous. They hit a wall during development and simply decided it is beneficial for both games to not be baked together. That's how software development works - sometimes you stumble up on something, realize it's a great idea and go with it. There's nothing more to it.

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Ulsarek wrote:

Stopped reading after the omission of information part. You make it sound like GGG deliberately held back them wanting to separate the games to farm more supporter packs. Don't be ridiculous. They hit a wall during development and simply decided it is beneficial for both games to not be baked together. That's how software development works - sometimes you stumble up on something, realize it's a great idea and go with it. There's nothing more to it.

i m not saying they didnt hit the wall and i m pretty sure it was a hard decision to make.

but what i m saying is i m pretty sure there was a time when they were 100% confirmed on that decision with no turning back that they were gonna make it separate but chose not to reveal it to the public.

if you read you would understand that point but you chose not to. i ll not respond to you in the future since you wont fully read what i write anyway.

cheers.